Tory horror at being exposed over NHS

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Top Tories Jeremy Hunt and Boris Johnson looked on in horror as Jeremy Corbyn nailed what’s really going on in the NHS.

The Conservative government is trying to convince people that its new NHS funding proposals will revitalise the NHS. But Corbyn set the record straight.
“Worst ever”

The Labour leader laid bare a health service in crisis at Prime Minister’s Questions on 20 June:

Laying into the government’s plan with his final question, Corbyn said:

Nothing for public health budgets, nothing for community health, or – vitally – nothing for social care. This is less than is needed just to stand still. And after the longest funding squeeze in history, A&E waits are their worst ever – 4 million people now waiting on NHS waiting lists, cancer treatment target not met for over three years, nurse numbers falling, GP numbers falling, and one hundred thousand staff vacancies, NHS trusts a billion in deficit, and a £1.3bn funding gap for social care.

The prime minister has now promised a £20bn per year cash injection into the NHS. Corbyn spent his first three questions pressing May on where the money is coming from, but she did not provide an answer. Instead, May insists her chancellor will enlighten people with his autumn budget:

The chancellor will set out the full funding package properly before the spending review.

“Little more than tread water”

Under the five-year NHS funding plan, the government is offering about a 3.4% spending increase per year. But the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) points out that the NHS needs increases in spending of 5% to tackle critical issues such as those Corbyn raises. The IFS notes:

Much less than growth of 4% a year and the NHS will be able to do little more than tread water.

So not only has the government failed to say where the money is coming from, but the amount promised still isn’t enough. With his final question, Corbyn continued:

The prime minister is writing IOUs just to stand still. Until this government can be straight with people where the money is coming from, why should anyone anywhere trust them on the NHS?

Any spending increase on the NHS must be seen in the context of years of Conservative cuts to the service. With this in mind, May’s proposals are wholly inadequate to save the NHS from a crisis created by her own government.

Corbyn laid the Tory record on the NHS bare at PMQs. And May’s cabinet could only look on in horror.


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They are shit scared of the PM in waiting!

[Cannydc]

Treeza even tried it on with the 'Welsh NHS under Labour' nonsense.

And was informed that in Wales spending on the NHS grew 5% last year - well above her paltry 3.4% Stand Still offer.

Her face was a picture too !

[Ray of Sunshine]

Mid Staffs?

[Cannydc]

Mid Staffs?

Had nothing to do with the NHS funding debate or this thread.

Perhaps start a separate thread allied to the latest hospital killings in Gosport which began in the 1980s ?

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They have been exposing themselves long enough on their true agenda but the public don't seem to notice or care or think Humpty really can be put back together again at the switch of a government.
They are making sure it can't.
Would you put Dracula in charge of the blood bank?
Well why are people so complacent about putting this guy in charge of the NHS?
Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance
'Direct Democracy: An Agenda For A New Model Party' called for the 'denationalisation' of the NHS
Jeremy Hunt co-authored a policy pamphlet that called for the NHS to be replaced by an insurance system.

The 2005 policy book, called Direct Democracy: An Agenda For A New Model Party, was a collection of writings authored by a group of Tory MPs.

Amongst other ideas, the book contained a blueprint for replacing the NHS with an insurance market system – and called for the private sector to be brought in.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 65306.html

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We’ve found Jeremy Hunt’s book – and yes, he does want to Privatise the NHS.

When I try to explain to people that highly controversial NHS reforms, such as the imposition of the new Junior Doctors’ contract, are part of a much wider plan to destabilise and deconstruct the NHS, I am quite often accused of being a conspiracy theorist. Amongst my front-line NHS co-workers, there is a widespread agreement that the government is pushing the health service towards privatisation. But amongst those not directly involved with the NHS, the perceptions are quite different. Many people believe that the NHS is too precious an institution for the Conservatives to destroy without risking political suicide. To justify this position, people will often point to the fact that no-where in any of the Conservative rhetoric or party political literature are there direct references to a desire to privatise the NHS. Well, this is not strictly true.

‘DIRECT DEMOCRACY – An Agenda for a New Model Party’. Contributors include: Douglass Carswell (of recent UKIP defection fame), Michael Gove and most importantly, Jeremy Hunt. There was some muted reference to the contents of the work in the national media prior to the 2010 election but since then it has fallen off the radar and is in fact notoriously difficult to find. It would appear there is a very good reason for the books’ disappearance – and that is, in part, because it quite explicitly lays outs the desire of the authors, including Jeremy Hunt himself, to privatise the NHS.

DIRECT DEMOCRACY – An Agenda for a New Model Party.... mmmm.
https://whatwouldvirchowdo.wordpress.co ... e-the-nhs/

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How to Dismantle the NHS in 10 Easy Steps

Dr Youssef El-Gingihy a GP tells the story of how the NHS has been gradually converted into a market-based healthcare system over the past 25 years. This process is accelerating under the Coalition government and the very existence of a National Health Service is in danger. He fears that there will not be an NHS as our generation grows old and certainly not for our children. Yet the British public remains largely unawares of this and the media, with few exceptions, have failed in their duty to inform them. The NHS is being broken up into an universal insurance system based on the American model. This book matters to all who use the NHS or are concerned by the privatisation of public services and the dismantling of equitable healthcare and welfare. If you want to understand the real story behind the headlines and find out how you can preserve the NHS for the future then this book is essential reading.
Available in paperback but not newsprint or other media who stopped informing the British public quite some time back about anything much.

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Some think it's a time to sit on our hands and watch the Tories get blamed for Brexit.
Brexit the firewall behind which they are leading a revolution the British public are going to wake up to one morning and think where the hell has it all gone?
How did so much get destroyed stolen?
Were we asleep?
People weren't asleep no.
People either couldn't care less or were totally wrapped up in the smokescreen of Brexit.
I don't believe for one moment Cameron thought the Brexit vote would be to remain.
He knew exactly what he was setting in motion.

[Cannydc]

Some think it's a time to sit on our hands and watch the Tories get blamed for Brexit.
Brexit the firewall behind which they are leading a revolution the British public are going to wake up to one morning and think where the hell has it all gone?
How did so much get destroyed stolen?
Were we asleep?
People weren't asleep no.
People either couldn't care less or were totally wrapped up in the smokescreen of Brexit.
I don't believe for one moment Cameron thought the Brexit vote would be to remain.
He knew exactly what he was setting in motion.

I have to say, the ashen look on Shameron's face when he realised that his idiotic gamble to appease the rabid right had failed, they had won and he was at the end of his premiership, tells a very different story.

And, sadly, we have no choice but to sit on our hands and watch the Tories get blamed for Brexit. Stopping it seems to be the last thing on even the most pragmatic Tory MP's minds now. They have been threatened, cajoled, bribed into staying with the Tory project that is Brexit, so they must own it and face oblivion at the ballot box for their pains.

We can, and will rebuild their wanton destruction of public services. In fact, it is likely that revulsion for Conservatism will be so high, there will exist a mandate for a very left-leaning manifesto.

[Ray of Sunshine]

Can't temp you out of the politics forum can I canny?

I know there's a case for the EU but I still can't see why the left would support that case.

It's a globalist, capitalist club.

Why would anyone left-wing side with Goldman Sachs, Deutschebank, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley etc when less than a decade ago they were all railing against those same institutions?

And Brexit a Tory project, you know that's a lie, South Yorkshire where I live has no truck with Conservatives and we voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, so did many traditional Labour areas.

[Cannydc]

We both know how they were horribly misled with promises of 'getting our country back', '£350m a week for the NHS', not forgetting a free unicorn for every family, don't we?

The saddest thing is listening to them claiming that they knew what they were voting for.

They didn't. Even those who thought the whole crazy idea up didn't know, so how could the ordinary man in the street ?

[Guest]

We both know how they were horribly misled with promises of 'getting our country back', '£350m a week for the NHS', not forgetting a free unicorn for every family, don't we?

The saddest thing is listening to them claiming that they knew what they were voting for.

They didn't. Even those who thought the whole crazy idea up didn't know, so how could the ordinary man in the street ?

Why didnt you know what you were voting for? It was open source info.

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We both know how they were horribly misled with promises of 'getting our country back', '£350m a week for the NHS', not forgetting a free unicorn for every family, don't we?

The saddest thing is listening to them claiming that they knew what they were voting for.

They didn't. Even those who thought the whole crazy idea up didn't know, so how could the ordinary man in the street ?

Why didnt you know what you were voting for? It was open source info.

Link?

[Guest]

We both know how they were horribly misled with promises of 'getting our country back', '£350m a week for the NHS', not forgetting a free unicorn for every family, don't we?

The saddest thing is listening to them claiming that they knew what they were voting for.

They didn't. Even those who thought the whole crazy idea up didn't know, so how could the ordinary man in the street ?

Why didnt you know what you were voting for? It was open source info.

Link?

You're 2 years too late im afraid. Give me a shout when next votes are coming up and il help you.

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We both know how they were horribly misled with promises of 'getting our country back', '£350m a week for the NHS', not forgetting a free unicorn for every family, don't we?

The saddest thing is listening to them claiming that they knew what they were voting for.

They didn't. Even those who thought the whole crazy idea up didn't know, so how could the ordinary man in the street ?

Why didnt you know what you were voting for? It was open source info.

Link?

You're 2 years too late im afraid. Give me a shout when next votes are coming up and il help you.

Considering even top lawyers still don't understand the complexities of Brexit the public could not possibly have been informed which I said from day one on here.