The no deal no food issue.

[Rolluplostinspace]

This is what no-deal Brexit actually looks like
No deal is one of those really bad ideas, like shell suits or Celine Dion, which we thought we could leave in the past. But this summer it's somehow all the rage. It's discussed as if it were just another Brexit option.

It is not. No-deal is probably the most demented policy put forward by mainstream British politicians in the modern era. To see how it would work in practice, this piece looks at what would happen on day one. Doing this for the whole economy would take countless pages of Stephen-King-style horror, so it's stripped down to one topic: food. This is the story of how our system for importing and exporting food implodes almost instantly.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07 ... looks-like

[Stooo]

We've got plenty of Spam and Um Bongo!

[Rolluplostinspace]

March 30th 2019 becomes Year Zero. Overnight, British meat products cannot be imported into the EU. To bring these types of goods in, they have to come from a country with an approved national body whose facilities have been certified by the EU. But there has been no deal, so there's no approval.

[Stooo]

We've got a fair bit of gammon kicking around...

[Rolluplostinspace]

This is where the crunch point will be. The main ports affected will be the ones at Dover, Calais, the Eurotunnel, Dunkirk, and Holyhead, for trade to and from Ireland.

Products of animal origin from non-EU states must pass through special border inspection posts, manned by a vet. Calais and the Eurotunnel are not equipped for this. Dunkirk is, but it has a very low capacity.

We have a very significant infrastructure problem here. We don't have enough inspection posts, we don't have the staff to man them, we don't have the means to divert product to them and we don't have the cold storage capacity to handle product going in and out. Many ports don't have space to install more facilities.

Inspections take time. Where a product must be detained and a sample taken off for testing, the process can last around 36 hours.

It doesn't really matter which side the tailbacks start on - European or British. One side affects the other because there is limited space for goods to move. Some experts predict a total breakdown of the Just In Time system by day five. That's where the horror stories you read about stockpiling come from. Very quickly, we'd see empty supermarket shelves.
At this point, Downing Street could decide to unilaterally give up all these tests and procedures for goods coming into the UK. After all, it is now unbound from EU law. It can do what it likes.

There is some evidence that this is what ministers are planning. In February, Defra minister George Eustice told a Lords committee his department would implement a 'mutual recognition' regime, which ultimately amounts to assuming food from the EU was safe to eat and hoping they did the same.

[Rolluplostinspace]

This is what no-deal Brexit actually looks like
No deal is one of those really bad ideas, like shell suits or Celine Dion, which we thought we could leave in the past. But this summer it's somehow all the rage. It's discussed as if it were just another Brexit option.

It is not. No-deal is probably the most demented policy put forward by mainstream British politicians in the modern era. To see how it would work in practice, this piece looks at what would happen on day one. Doing this for the whole economy would take countless pages of Stephen-King-style horror, so it's stripped down to one topic: food. This is the story of how our system for importing and exporting food implodes almost instantly.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07 ... looks-like

Anyone who supports a hard Brexit needs to read this.

[Stooo]

This is what no-deal Brexit actually looks like
No deal is one of those really bad ideas, like shell suits or Celine Dion, which we thought we could leave in the past. But this summer it's somehow all the rage. It's discussed as if it were just another Brexit option.

It is not. No-deal is probably the most demented policy put forward by mainstream British politicians in the modern era. To see how it would work in practice, this piece looks at what would happen on day one. Doing this for the whole economy would take countless pages of Stephen-King-style horror, so it's stripped down to one topic: food. This is the story of how our system for importing and exporting food implodes almost instantly.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07 ... looks-like

Anyone who supports a hard Brexit needs to read this.

What's the point? When it happens they will blame the EU, a government tackled with with an impossible task, remainers not shouldering the wheel, in fact they will blame anybody except the idiots who voted for this mess...

[Cannydc]

We've got plenty of Spam and Um Bongo!

I think you'll find that Um Bongo is to form the key export in our brand spanking new Free Trade Deal with the Congo....

[McAz]

This is what no-deal Brexit actually looks like
No deal is one of those really bad ideas, like shell suits or Celine Dion, which we thought we could leave in the past. But this summer it's somehow all the rage. It's discussed as if it were just another Brexit option.

It is not. No-deal is probably the most demented policy put forward by mainstream British politicians in the modern era. To see how it would work in practice, this piece looks at what would happen on day one. Doing this for the whole economy would take countless pages of Stephen-King-style horror, so it's stripped down to one topic: food. This is the story of how our system for importing and exporting food implodes almost instantly.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07 ... looks-like

Anyone who supports a hard Brexit needs to read this.

What's the point? When it happens they will blame the EU, a government tackled with with an impossible task, remainers not shouldering the wheel, in fact they will blame anybody except the idiots who voted for this mess...

Fortunately they are now in the minority.

[Stooo]

We've got plenty of Spam and Um Bongo!

I think you'll find that Um Bongo is to form the key export in our brand spanking new Free Trade Deal with the Congo....

They make it in the...

...um Bridgwater

[Fletch]

This is why the certification system for food coming into Europe is so stringent and detailed. After Brexit, we will fall out of the eco-system of EU rules, agencies and courts and become an external country. That means certification requirements will apply to us too.

Certificates are approval stamps, designed per product and country, documenting the fact that it meets the various standards for human health and animal welfare. Say a container full of pork loins is sent from Leeds to Amsterdam after Brexit day. It will need to be signed off by a vet to say that the meat was slaughtered, stored, quality assured, sealed and despatched in a certain manner, with appropriate documentation proving compliance.

From link in OP.

This is curious to me. Are they suggesting we can send any old undocumented crap to EU because we are already covered by being a member? Surely those within the EU have to have been inspected/tested to qualify in the first place? We have a food standards agency already I presume they will be on top of any paperwork required?

I posted previously about perishables and customs clearance and until recently, we managed to stop people to check booze, cigarettes and even now lorries are checked for human trafficking so we do have facilities already. Things will be different but it's not like we start from scratch.

How do we manage to get foodstuff from outside the EU in to supermarkets all the time? How do we manage to sell food to countries outside of the EU already?

There will be issues but this food shortage claim is being blown out of all proportion. We do have farmers, efficient ones at that, and we already trade food outside of the EU. If the EU is already certificated, why would we need to inspect every shipment, or don't people trust the EU to be honest?

[Guest]

The new brexit battle bus is ready....#ExitBrexit

[Fletch]

March 30th 2019 becomes Year Zero. Overnight, British meat products cannot be imported into the EU. To bring these types of goods in, they have to come from a country with an approved national body whose facilities have been certified by the EU. But there has been no deal, so there's no approval.

Sounds like a protection racket to me?

Surely as former EU members we are already approved and if we need to apply again, approval will be a procedural matter only.

Unless we are not up to scratch and nor is the EU which is why they only do things amongst themselves?

[Fletch]

This is where the crunch point will be. The main ports affected will be the ones at Dover, Calais, the Eurotunnel, Dunkirk, and Holyhead, for trade to and from Ireland.

Products of animal origin from non-EU states must pass through special border inspection posts, manned by a vet. Calais and the Eurotunnel are not equipped for this. Dunkirk is, but it has a very low capacity.

We have a very significant infrastructure problem here. We don't have enough inspection posts, we don't have the staff to man them, we don't have the means to divert product to them and we don't have the cold storage capacity to handle product going in and out. Many ports don't have space to install more facilities.

Inspections take time. Where a product must be detained and a sample taken off for testing, the process can last around 36 hours.

It doesn't really matter which side the tailbacks start on - European or British. One side affects the other because there is limited space for goods to move. Some experts predict a total breakdown of the Just In Time system by day five. That's where the horror stories you read about stockpiling come from. Very quickly, we'd see empty supermarket shelves.
At this point, Downing Street could decide to unilaterally give up all these tests and procedures for goods coming into the UK. After all, it is now unbound from EU law. It can do what it likes.

There is some evidence that this is what ministers are planning. In February, Defra minister George Eustice told a Lords committee his department would implement a 'mutual recognition' regime, which ultimately amounts to assuming food from the EU was safe to eat and hoping they did the same.

The government is crap at this, and all of them have been for decades when it comes to infrastructure. Changes are needed but it is this government to blame for not being on the case early enough, or at all.

Just so we know, what is the level of food say per month for the EU and how does it compare with food from countries outside the EU per month?

[Fletch]

This is what no-deal Brexit actually looks like
No deal is one of those really bad ideas, like shell suits or Celine Dion, which we thought we could leave in the past. But this summer it's somehow all the rage. It's discussed as if it were just another Brexit option.

It is not. No-deal is probably the most demented policy put forward by mainstream British politicians in the modern era. To see how it would work in practice, this piece looks at what would happen on day one. Doing this for the whole economy would take countless pages of Stephen-King-style horror, so it's stripped down to one topic: food. This is the story of how our system for importing and exporting food implodes almost instantly.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07 ... looks-like

Anyone who supports a hard Brexit needs to read this.

It's a political opinion piece Jack.