Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Fletch » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:36 pm

Centrism is Dead (And It Never Really Existed)

It’s a common refrain these days to hear people lament a decline of the so-called “center” in American politics. We’re supposed to look on in horror as “moderate” Republicans and Democrats become an engaged species of liberty-fighting patriots steamrolled by frothing, insane hordes of populist barbarians on their left and right flanks. They’re the voice of reason, lovers of apple pie and staunch defenders of our constitution and all that’s good and right in the US of A. We’re encouraged to run back into the blood soaked arms of establishment politicians like John McCain and Hillary Clinton — the only ones standing between us and the Donald Trumps and Bernie Sanders of the world. The center cannot hold, so we’re told.

It’s a nice story, the only problem is it’s complete and total nonsensical garbage. This mythical “center” is nothing more than a failed status quo attempting to rebrand itself in the wake of being outed as the corrupt charlatans they are.

https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2018/07/2 ... y-existed/

I've always said centre politics doesn't exist. People who prefix their right or left wing with centre are just scared of the response and playing safe by adhering to the media expectations. The Jeremy is far left and the far right is the norm kind of media narrative we've had for decades now. It's nonsense and always has been and anyone describing themselves as centre something or centrist are just wanting the status quo. You've been trained to want that by propaganda, the tales of horror and woe if something else or a different way is proposed is enough to scare people in to submitting.

Be brave and declare your position, don't dither in the middle or you'll get run down...by the wealthy and corporations!
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Guest » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:54 am

Fletch wrote:Centrism is Dead (And It Never Really Existed)

It’s a common refrain these days to hear people lament a decline of the so-called “center” in American politics. We’re supposed to look on in horror as “moderate” Republicans and Democrats become an engaged species of liberty-fighting patriots steamrolled by frothing, insane hordes of populist barbarians on their left and right flanks. They’re the voice of reason, lovers of apple pie and staunch defenders of our constitution and all that’s good and right in the US of A. We’re encouraged to run back into the blood soaked arms of establishment politicians like John McCain and Hillary Clinton — the only ones standing between us and the Donald Trumps and Bernie Sanders of the world. The center cannot hold, so we’re told.

It’s a nice story, the only problem is it’s complete and total nonsensical garbage. This mythical “center” is nothing more than a failed status quo attempting to rebrand itself in the wake of being outed as the corrupt charlatans they are.

https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2018/07/2 ... y-existed/

I've always said centre politics doesn't exist. People who prefix their right or left wing with centre are just scared of the response and playing safe by adhering to the media expectations. The Jeremy is far left and the far right is the norm kind of media narrative we've had for decades now. It's nonsense and always has been and anyone describing themselves as centre something or centrist are just wanting the status quo. You've been trained to want that by propaganda, the tales of horror and woe if something else or a different way is proposed is enough to scare people in to submitting.

Be brave and declare your position, don't dither in the middle or you'll get run down...by the wealthy and corporations!


When i've done online lengthy surveys it always says that i identify most with the Green Party policies.

I vote for the political party most likely to win in my area, that represents my views the most which is Labour.
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Ray of Sunshine » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:55 am

I think it's more the case that the left loves to put people into groups and are also very dogmatic and one-sided so everyone is either left-wing and good or right-wing and bad.

Whereas people actually have a range of views some of which could be classed as left-wing and some could be classed as right-wing.

As for left-wing people being all generous and kind and right-wingers mean and selfish, that is one of the stupidest theories going.

Studies have shown that right-wing people give more to charity and volunteer more, too many left-wing people just want to make themselves look good, they don't actually do good.
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Guest » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:12 am

Ray of Sunshine wrote:Studies have shown that right-wing people give more to charity and volunteer more, too many left-wing people just want to make themselves look good, they don't actually do good.


:link: to that rubbish.
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Postby Ray of Sunshine » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:53 pm

Guest wrote:
Ray of Sunshine wrote:Studies have shown that right-wing people give more to charity and volunteer more, too many left-wing people just want to make themselves look good, they don't actually do good.


:link: to that rubbish.


You could have just used google, multiple studies have shown the same thing.

https://www.retarded.com/usa/193952-charity-c ... gion-utah/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... lanthropy/
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opin ... istof.html

As for left-wingers being nicer, who is the nastiest, most unpleasant FM on this site?

Left-wing Dean.
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby McAz » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:56 pm

Ray of Sunshine wrote:
Guest wrote:
Ray of Sunshine wrote:Studies have shown that right-wing people give more to charity and volunteer more, too many left-wing people just want to make themselves look good, they don't actually do good.


:link: to that rubbish.


You could have just used google, multiple studies have shown the same thing.

https://www.retarded.com/usa/193952-cha ... gion-utah/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... lanthropy/
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opin ... istof.html


Charitable giving in America includes money given to religious missions (including TV evangelists), provision of Bibles to the starving, Scientology etc - can you cite any legitimate research?
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Guest » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:57 pm

Ray of Sunshine wrote:
Guest wrote:
Ray of Sunshine wrote:Studies have shown that right-wing people give more to charity and volunteer more, too many left-wing people just want to make themselves look good, they don't actually do good.


:link: to that rubbish.


You could have just used google, multiple studies have shown the same thing.

https://www.retarded.com/usa/193952-cha ... gion-utah/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... lanthropy/
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opin ... istof.html

As for left-wingers being nicer, who is the nastiest, most unpleasant FM on this site?

Left-wing Dean.


A few dated and obscure American blogs! :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl: :hand:
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Postby Ray of Sunshine » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:05 pm

McAz wrote:
Charitable giving in America includes money given to religious missions (including TV evangelists), provision of Bibles to the starving, Scientology etc - can you cite any legitimate research?


Google it there's pages of it.
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby McAz » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:08 pm

Ray of Sunshine wrote:
McAz wrote:
Charitable giving in America includes money given to religious missions (including TV evangelists), provision of Bibles to the starving, Scientology etc - can you cite any legitimate research?


Google it there's pages of it.


So you wont have a problem supporting your contention - off you trot, son.
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Cobs » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:04 pm

Fletch wrote:I've always said centre politics doesn't exist. People who prefix their right or left wing with centre are just scared of the response and playing safe by adhering to the media expectations. The Jeremy is far left and the far right is the norm kind of media narrative we've had for decades now. It's nonsense and always has been and anyone describing themselves as centre something or centrist are just wanting the status quo. You've been trained to want that by propaganda, the tales of horror and woe if something else or a different way is proposed is enough to scare people in to submitting.

Be brave and declare your position, don't dither in the middle or you'll get run down...by the wealthy and corporations!

Utter bollocks, living in a 2 party state has driven you doolally.
When power does actually change hands it's because the moderate voters jump ship from Con to Lab (or vice versa).
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Postby calitom » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:25 pm

first of all JFK--the great democrat--would be considered a far right leader today
Secondly--its not so much about lib/conserv as it is deep state vs freedom.
Many Bernie supporters now support Trump because they realize the deep state tries to pidgeon hole into the demrepube nonsense.
80% of dems and 60% of repubes are full deep state or deeps state's patsies.

In the UK the conservatives are just deep staters. It seems labour are more in line with what Trump or sanders stand for--namely NO TARIFFS(or equal tariffs) iow free trade;
no croney capitalism .
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Fletch » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:45 pm

Cobs wrote:
Fletch wrote:I've always said centre politics doesn't exist. People who prefix their right or left wing with centre are just scared of the response and playing safe by adhering to the media expectations. The Jeremy is far left and the far right is the norm kind of media narrative we've had for decades now. It's nonsense and always has been and anyone describing themselves as centre something or centrist are just wanting the status quo. You've been trained to want that by propaganda, the tales of horror and woe if something else or a different way is proposed is enough to scare people in to submitting.

Be brave and declare your position, don't dither in the middle or you'll get run down...by the wealthy and corporations!

Utter bollocks, living in a 2 party state has driven you doolally.
When power does actually change hands it's because the moderate voters jump ship from Con to Lab (or vice versa).


I didn't mention moderate voters. :ooer:

Are you trying to classify moderate, whatever that actually means in political terms of left or right, as some sort of centrist?

It sounds very much like media led sheep like safety to me for the status quo. That is, when the media tell people to vote for the other party, they do. If the media say they are 'extreme' 'loony' or 'the country is in danger if you vote for them' they don't. Moderate seems like another word for easily led.
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Fletch » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:47 pm

calitom wrote:first of all JFK--the great democrat--would be considered a far right leader today
Secondly--its not so much about lib/conserv as it is deep state vs freedom.
Many Bernie supporters now support Trump because they realize the deep state tries to pidgeon hole into the demrepube nonsense.
80% of dems and 60% of repubes are full deep state or deeps state's patsies.

In the UK the conservatives are just deep staters. It seems labour are more in line with what Trump or sanders stand for--namely NO TARIFFS(or equal tariffs) iow free trade;
no croney capitalism .


America is different Tom, you have no left over there. Just Neo-Liberals and Neo-Cons. Bernie was nearest to left wing but even he was a sell out to the corporations and MIC.
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Postby calitom » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:59 pm

Fletch wrote:
calitom wrote:first of all JFK--the great democrat--would be considered a far right leader today
Secondly--its not so much about lib/conserv as it is deep state vs freedom.
Many Bernie supporters now support Trump because they realize the deep state tries to pidgeon hole into the demrepube nonsense.
80% of dems and 60% of repubes are full deep state or deeps state's patsies.

In the UK the conservatives are just deep staters. It seems labour are more in line with what Trump or sanders stand for--namely NO TARIFFS(or equal tariffs) iow free trade;
no croney capitalism .


America is different Tom, you have no left over there. Just Neo-Liberals and Neo-Cons. Bernie was nearest to left wing but even he was a sell out to the corporations and MIC.


oh we still have some good smart leftists like alan derschowitz. there are a lot of honest smart left liberals in the USA that are rejecting the neo-liberal satanic lies.
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Re: Right wing, Left wing or...err that's it.

Postby Punk » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:01 pm

calitom wrote:
Fletch wrote:
calitom wrote:first of all JFK--the great democrat--would be considered a far right leader today
Secondly--its not so much about lib/conserv as it is deep state vs freedom.
Many Bernie supporters now support Trump because they realize the deep state tries to pidgeon hole into the demrepube nonsense.
80% of dems and 60% of repubes are full deep state or deeps state's patsies.

In the UK the conservatives are just deep staters. It seems labour are more in line with what Trump or sanders stand for--namely NO TARIFFS(or equal tariffs) iow free trade;
no croney capitalism .


America is different Tom, you have no left over there. Just Neo-Liberals and Neo-Cons. Bernie was nearest to left wing but even he was a sell out to the corporations and MIC.


oh we still have some good smart leftists like alan derschowitz. there are a lot of honest smart left liberals in the USA that are rejecting the neo-liberal satanic lies.


If Neo-Liberals are satanic what are Neo-Conservatives? :leer:
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