Tory Scum

[MungoBrush]

The rules we worked to.

Note - if Brexit happens, people with purchasing delegation will be much more free to offer contracts to their mates for kickbacks. Most procurement rules are EU wide. Which is one good reason so many Tories are pro-Brexit.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-sect ... ent-policy

Is that what happens in countries that are not in the EU?
In Norway or Switzerland for instance - do politicians in those countries award government contracts to their mates for kickbacks?

I would not be surprosed if that happened in Venezuala - which is Corbyn's model for the UK after Brexit.

[McAz]

Is that what happens in countries that are not in the EU?
In Norway or Switzerland for instance - do politicians in those countries award government contracts to their mates for kickbacks?

I would not be surprosed if that happened in Venezuala - which is Corbyn's model for the UK after Brexit.

Where does he say that, Drongo?

[Cannydc]

The rules we worked to.

Note - if Brexit happens, people with purchasing delegation will be much more free to offer contracts to their mates for kickbacks. Most procurement rules are EU wide. Which is one good reason so many Tories are pro-Brexit.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-sect ... ent-policy

Is that what happens in countries that are not in the EU?
In Norway or Switzerland for instance - do politicians in those countries award government contracts to their mates for kickbacks?

I would not be surprosed if that happened in Venezuala - which is Corbyn's model for the UK after Brexit.

The answer to your first question is no - because both Norway and Switzerland adhere to EU rules as they must, being rule takers, not rule makers, and paying annually for the pleasure.

As to your second comment, I look forward to a link to the speech where Corbyn plans to turn the UK economy into that of Venezuela - and the bit where US sanctions start.

[MungoBrush]

I look forward to a link to the speech where Corbyn plans to turn the UK economy into that of Venezuela - and the bit where US sanctions start.

Jeremy Corbyn, March 2013

Corbyn tweeted on Hugo Chavez’s death: “Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world.”

Jeremy Corbyn, March 2013 (again)

Jeremy Corbyn delivered a speech after Chavez’s death and said: “In Chavez let’s remember someone who stood up, was counted, was inspiring, is inspiring, and in his death we will march on to that better, just, peaceful and hopeful world.”

Jeremy Corbyn, 2014…

In 2014 Jeremy Corbyn rang President Maduro, already on his way to further entrench presidential power, live on a Venezuelan television broadcast to congratulate his electoral success. Maduro introduced Corbyn as a ‘friend of Venezuela.’

Diane Abbott, 2012

Now Shadow Home Secretary, Abbott, speaking at a Venezuelan Solidarity Campaign event, said: “I think the importance of Venezuela is it shows another way is possible.

John McDonnell, 2014
‎
In a documentary titled Hugo Chavez: A Portrait from Europe, then backbencher John McDonnell praised Chavez’s socialist regime in Venezuela: “Here you had the contrast between capitalism in crisis and socialism in action.”

Richard Burgon, 2013

Richard Burgon, somehow the MP for Leeds East, tweeted in 2013: “Victory for the Labour Movement in Venezuela: bus driver, trade unionist and socialist Nicolas Maduro elected as President of Venezuela.”

[McAz]

I look forward to a link to the speech where Corbyn plans to turn the UK economy into that of Venezuela - and the bit where US sanctions start.

Jeremy Corbyn, March 2013

Corbyn tweeted on Hugo Chavez’s death: “Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world.”

Jeremy Corbyn, March 2013 (again)

Jeremy Corbyn delivered a speech after Chavez’s death and said: “In Chavez let’s remember someone who stood up, was counted, was inspiring, is inspiring, and in his death we will march on to that better, just, peaceful and hopeful world.”

Jeremy Corbyn, 2014…

In 2014 Jeremy Corbyn rang President Maduro, already on his way to further entrench presidential power, live on a Venezuelan television broadcast to congratulate his electoral success. Maduro introduced Corbyn as a ‘friend of Venezuela.’

Diane Abbott, 2012

Now Shadow Home Secretary, Abbott, speaking at a Venezuelan Solidarity Campaign event, said: “I think the importance of Venezuela is it shows another way is possible.

John McDonnell, 2014
‎
In a documentary titled Hugo Chavez: A Portrait from Europe, then backbencher John McDonnell praised Chavez’s socialist regime in Venezuela: “Here you had the contrast between capitalism in crisis and socialism in action.”

Richard Burgon, 2013

Richard Burgon, somehow the MP for Leeds East, tweeted in 2013: “Victory for the Labour Movement in Venezuela: bus driver, trade unionist and socialist Nicolas Maduro elected as President of Venezuela.”

And yet for all the splendid effort you've obviously put into this (though sadly, still with your trademark shabby scholarship) nowhere is there anything which says that "Venezuela is Corbyn's model for the UK after Brexit" as you claim.

Well done, Dongle.

[McAz]

OH WAIT...

...it's not even your own work - you nicked it from here...

https://reaction.life/ten-times-corbynistas-praised-chavez-maduros-venezuela/

...and by not attributing it (as required by this site btw) allowed others to believe it was your own work.

Honestly, Bangle - you couldn't make it up...



... and you DIDN'T.

[Cannydc]

I look forward to a link to the speech where Corbyn plans to turn the UK economy into that of Venezuela - and the bit where US sanctions start.

Jeremy Corbyn, March 2013

Corbyn tweeted on Hugo Chavez’s death: “Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world.”

Jeremy Corbyn, March 2013 (again)

Jeremy Corbyn delivered a speech after Chavez’s death and said: “In Chavez let’s remember someone who stood up, was counted, was inspiring, is inspiring, and in his death we will march on to that better, just, peaceful and hopeful world.”

Jeremy Corbyn, 2014…

In 2014 Jeremy Corbyn rang President Maduro, already on his way to further entrench presidential power, live on a Venezuelan television broadcast to congratulate his electoral success. Maduro introduced Corbyn as a ‘friend of Venezuela.’

Diane Abbott, 2012

Now Shadow Home Secretary, Abbott, speaking at a Venezuelan Solidarity Campaign event, said: “I think the importance of Venezuela is it shows another way is possible.

John McDonnell, 2014
‎
In a documentary titled Hugo Chavez: A Portrait from Europe, then backbencher John McDonnell praised Chavez’s socialist regime in Venezuela: “Here you had the contrast between capitalism in crisis and socialism in action.”

Richard Burgon, 2013

Richard Burgon, somehow the MP for Leeds East, tweeted in 2013: “Victory for the Labour Movement in Venezuela: bus driver, trade unionist and socialist Nicolas Maduro elected as President of Venezuela.”

As previously noted......."The speech where Corbyn plans to turn the UK economy into that of Venezuela " doesn't seem to have happened.

See, Dongle, showing admiration for the way one leader handles a country in S America, with a S American economy has NO RELEVANCE to how he and Labour would manage the UK economy. None whatsoever.

And it's customary to link to your copy and pastes.

[jra]

I wouldn't go to University these days anyway if I didn't need to. A degree isn't worth so much these days if 1 in 4 people go to university, so a degree has lost a lot of its value from when I went to university where only 1 in 15-20 were able to. Just like gold, the more of it there is, the less valuable it becomes.

https://www.ucas.com/corporate/news-and ... university

That's apart from the large cost nowadays.

Back in the good old days, the government paid for virtually everything, even some of the rent.

There are far more choices for education these days than my parents ever dreamed of
Choices for fields of study
Choices for methods of study
Choices for places of study
And it's not "free".
Institutions cost money; Academic staff get salaries etc etc

Yes when tertiary education was "free" less that 10% took advantage of it.
Now, you say, it's 25%
Do you think that the 75% who don't go should pay the costs of the 25% who do go?

We all pay taxes towards the costs of things we don't use.

That's the way 'the system' works in the UK, as few taxes are ringfenced.

[MungoBrush]

We all pay taxes towards the costs of things we don't use.

That's the way 'the system' works in the UK, as few taxes are ringfenced.

That's true.
Road tax used to be to fund road building and maintenance
The National Insurance stamp used to be to fund the NHS and Old Age pensions.
Now almost all of it is lumped into consolidated revenue.

Interesting that Labour wants "the many" to pay more taxes to support the tertiary education of "the few"

[Cannydc]

We all pay taxes towards the costs of things we don't use.

That's the way 'the system' works in the UK, as few taxes are ringfenced.

That's true.
Road tax used to be to fund road building and maintenance
The National Insurance stamp used to be to fund the NHS and Old Age pensions.
Now almost all of it is lumped into consolidated revenue.

Interesting that Labour wants "the many" to pay more taxes to support the tertiary education of "the few"

No they don't.

26% of children go on to university. Hardly a few, and you may not have noticed but the 'Tiger Economies' of the far east prize education to degree level above all else. It is investment in the country as well as the child. Only idiot Tories who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing would ever disagree with that sentiment.

https://www.ucas.com/corporate/news-and ... university

It wasn't "Road Tax" between 1909 (when started) and 1926 (when ended) - it was the Road Fund.



http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as ... road-fund/

[Cannydc]

"The National Insurance stamp used to be to fund the NHS and Old Age pensions."

The question about that generalised statement is 'when?'

NI was first proposed in the 1908 "People's Budget" of David Lloyd George, along with a dramatic expansion of the scope of Income Tax and plans for a system of old age pensions - which would be funded at this time by general taxation.

The scheme, which came into effect in July 1912, was intended to create a national system of insurance for working people against illness and unemployment. Nothing to do with pensions.

In 1925, the Ministry of Health was charged with the administration of contributory pensions under the Old Age, Widows' and Orphans' Contributory Pensions Act 1925, which replaced the older system.

The system was "nationalised" in 1945, with the creation of the Ministry for National Insurance. It has almst never been self sufficient - up until 1990, shortfalls in the Fund had been met by a central government grant.

http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/national-insurance

[Fletch]

We all pay taxes towards the costs of things we don't use.

That's the way 'the system' works in the UK, as few taxes are ringfenced.

That's true.
Road tax used to be to fund road building and maintenance
The National Insurance stamp used to be to fund the NHS and Old Age pensions.
Now almost all of it is lumped into consolidated revenue.

Interesting that Labour wants "the many" to pay more taxes to support the tertiary education of "the few"

Education that benefits the whole population in the form of Doctors, teachers, engineers, lawyers and so on.

I've never understood this idea that 'you shouldn't be paying for stuff you don't need/use'. We all benefit all the time but it's generally taken for granted. It's a contribution to the running of a safe, modern country. Why do so many want to live in it for free?

[Rolluplostinspace]

India has more science graduates than America has graduates.

[jra]

We all pay taxes towards the costs of things we don't use.

That's the way 'the system' works in the UK, as few taxes are ringfenced.

That's true.
Road tax used to be to fund road building and maintenance
The National Insurance stamp used to be to fund the NHS and Old Age pensions.
Now almost all of it is lumped into consolidated revenue.

Interesting that Labour wants "the many" to pay more taxes to support the tertiary education of "the few"

You've also got to remember that students still pay VAT on most things they buy and if they also drink/smoke the duty paid on those (which is high) all go into 'the big government tax pot'. Then there is the issue of large companies/organizations avoiding tax payments via various means.

[Fletch]

We all pay taxes towards the costs of things we don't use.

That's the way 'the system' works in the UK, as few taxes are ringfenced.

That's true.
Road tax used to be to fund road building and maintenance
The National Insurance stamp used to be to fund the NHS and Old Age pensions.
Now almost all of it is lumped into consolidated revenue.

Interesting that Labour wants "the many" to pay more taxes to support the tertiary education of "the few"

You've also got to remember that students still pay VAT on most things they buy and if they also drink/smoke the duty paid on those (which is high) all go into 'the big government tax pot'. Then there is the issue of large companies/organizations avoiding tax payments via various means.

That's the real issue and is enabled by the Tories, and to be fair, by all other governments since Thatcher.

Britain's worst tax Scrooges revealed: Almost 1 in 5 of biggest firms paid NOTHING last year - and some even got a handout from the taxman...

Names such as BP, Royal Mail and British Gas owner Centrica are included
Some firms are even paying their chief executives more than they pay in tax

Almost one in five of Britain's biggest companies paid not a penny of corporation tax in the UK last year, it can be revealed.

The Mail on Sunday has managed to obtain the details of the tax paid by 69 of the FTSE 100 group of largest companies on the stock market – many of which do not publish these figures in their annual reports.

The remaining 31 refused or failed to respond to repeated requests to disclose their tax payments.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/ ... axman.html