Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”
Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.
The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html
It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though.
LordRaven wrote:Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”
Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.
The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html
It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though.
But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Guest wrote:LordRaven wrote:Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”
Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.
The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html
It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though.
But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Thatcher came before New Labour Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.
LordRaven wrote:Guest wrote:LordRaven wrote:Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”
Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.
The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html
It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though.
But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Thatcher came before New Labour Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.
Read the article and you will note he was housed by Labour.
And I see you cannot deny the Search Parties or the creation of an underclass wholly dependent on a Labour government?
Thanks for agreeing
Guest wrote:LordRaven wrote:Guest wrote:LordRaven wrote:
But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Thatcher came before New Labour Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.
Read the article and you will note he was housed by Labour.
And I see you cannot deny the Search Parties or the creation of an underclass wholly dependent on a Labour government?
Thanks for agreeing
You seem to have a problem grasping that Thatcher sold off the council housing and started the stigma against social housing and that her government came before New Labour!
You are one hell of a plank!
Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”
Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.
The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html
It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though.
LordRaven wrote:But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Fletch wrote:LordRaven wrote:But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Raven, don't keep pretending New Labour was anything like the current Labour party. New Labour were following neoliberal policies, the same as the Tories before them and after them. Only JC's Labour offers hope for the many.
The main points of neo-liberalism include:
THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.
CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.
DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.
PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.
ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."
https://corpwatch.org/article/what-neoliberalism
Full info on link. That has been the ideology since 1979 and it's led to where we are today, crashes included. (and more to come)
LordRaven wrote:Fletch wrote:LordRaven wrote:But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Raven, don't keep pretending New Labour was anything like the current Labour party. New Labour were following neoliberal policies, the same as the Tories before them and after them. Only JC's Labour offers hope for the many.
The main points of neo-liberalism include:
THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.
CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.
DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.
PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.
ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."
https://corpwatch.org/article/what-neoliberalism
Full info on link. That has been the ideology since 1979 and it's led to where we are today, crashes included. (and more to come)
I don't trust Corbyn, there is something of the night about him.
That is all, I am entitled to my opinion
Fletch wrote:LordRaven wrote:Fletch wrote:LordRaven wrote:But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Raven, don't keep pretending New Labour was anything like the current Labour party. New Labour were following neoliberal policies, the same as the Tories before them and after them. Only JC's Labour offers hope for the many.
The main points of neo-liberalism include:
THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.
CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.
DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.
PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.
ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."
https://corpwatch.org/article/what-neoliberalism
Full info on link. That has been the ideology since 1979 and it's led to where we are today, crashes included. (and more to come)
I don't trust Corbyn, there is something of the night about him.
That is all, I am entitled to my opinion
You are but mistaking JC for Michael Howard doesn't inspire confidence in the worth of your opinions.
Guest wrote:LordRaven wrote:Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”
Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.
The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html
It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though.
But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.
The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.
In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.
A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...
"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer
A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.
The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.
In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.
The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277
HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited
Thatcher came before New Labour Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.
Fletch wrote::off head:
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