The Tories Hate Social Housing

The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:05 pm

“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”

Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.

The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html


It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though. :pukeup:
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:29 pm

Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”

Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.

The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html


It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though. :pukeup:


But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:35 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”

Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.

The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html


It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though. :pukeup:


But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Thatcher came before New Labour :pointlaugh: Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:05 pm

Guest wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”

Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.

The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html


It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though. :pukeup:


But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Thatcher came before New Labour :pointlaugh: Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.


Read the article and you will note he was housed by Labour.
And I see you cannot deny the Search Parties or the creation of an underclass wholly dependent on a Labour government?
Thanks for agreeing
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:06 pm

Guest, having seen his silly argument utterly destroyed will probably resort to other tactics, the well established trolling ones
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:10 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”

Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.

The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html


It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though. :pukeup:


But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Thatcher came before New Labour :pointlaugh: Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.


Read the article and you will note he was housed by Labour.
And I see you cannot deny the Search Parties or the creation of an underclass wholly dependent on a Labour government?
Thanks for agreeing


You seem to have a problem grasping that Thatcher sold off the council housing and started the stigma against social housing and that her government came before New Labour!

You are one hell of a plank! :pmsl:
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:56 pm

Guest wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Thatcher came before New Labour :pointlaugh: Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.


Read the article and you will note he was housed by Labour.
And I see you cannot deny the Search Parties or the creation of an underclass wholly dependent on a Labour government?
Thanks for agreeing


You seem to have a problem grasping that Thatcher sold off the council housing and started the stigma against social housing and that her government came before New Labour!

You are one hell of a plank! :pmsl:

Weak! Just like your weak argument, weak reasoning and weak brain.
No amount of laughing emojis will alter the fact you are a clearly dense and have had your stupid ideas blown away :smilin:
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Fletch » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:27 pm

Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”

Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.

The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html

It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though. :pukeup:


It's banking that requires ever rising house prices and the few involved with providing them. The boomers got lucky, they bought when housing was just that, not an investment. Now it's all about making money on a house and people claiming to 'own' their own home when in fact they are just a payday or two away from being homeless and losing the lot. Make housing expensive and the few will get rich whilst the rest will be forced in to ever worsening employment and conditions in an attempt to hold on to their home.
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Fletch » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:33 pm

LordRaven wrote:But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Raven, don't keep pretending New Labour was anything like the current Labour party. New Labour were following neoliberal policies, the same as the Tories before them and after them. Only JC's Labour offers hope for the many.

The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

https://corpwatch.org/article/what-neoliberalism

Full info on link. That has been the ideology since 1979 and it's led to where we are today, crashes included. (and more to come)
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:48 pm

Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Raven, don't keep pretending New Labour was anything like the current Labour party. New Labour were following neoliberal policies, the same as the Tories before them and after them. Only JC's Labour offers hope for the many.

The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

https://corpwatch.org/article/what-neoliberalism

Full info on link. That has been the ideology since 1979 and it's led to where we are today, crashes included. (and more to come)



I don't trust Corbyn, there is something of the night about him.

That is all, I am entitled to my opinion
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Fletch » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:18 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Raven, don't keep pretending New Labour was anything like the current Labour party. New Labour were following neoliberal policies, the same as the Tories before them and after them. Only JC's Labour offers hope for the many.

The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

https://corpwatch.org/article/what-neoliberalism

Full info on link. That has been the ideology since 1979 and it's led to where we are today, crashes included. (and more to come)



I don't trust Corbyn, there is something of the night about him.

That is all, I am entitled to my opinion


You are but mistaking JC for Michael Howard doesn't inspire confidence in the worth of your opinions.
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:39 pm

Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Raven, don't keep pretending New Labour was anything like the current Labour party. New Labour were following neoliberal policies, the same as the Tories before them and after them. Only JC's Labour offers hope for the many.

The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

https://corpwatch.org/article/what-neoliberalism

Full info on link. That has been the ideology since 1979 and it's led to where we are today, crashes included. (and more to come)



I don't trust Corbyn, there is something of the night about him.

That is all, I am entitled to my opinion


You are but mistaking JC for Michael Howard doesn't inspire confidence in the worth of your opinions.


Don't be silly son, Doris Karloff's remarks about Howard fit my thoughts about Corbyn.

By your measure Oppenheimer's opinion on seeing the first nuke detonate was worthless...

'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds'. The story of Oppenheimer's infamous quote
The line, from the Hindu sacred text the Bhagavad-Gita, has come to define Robert Oppenheimer, but its meaning is more complex than many realise.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/manhatt ... ppenheimer

Which makes your opinions pretty worthless don't you think?
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Fletch » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:41 pm

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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:43 pm

Guest wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Guest wrote:“I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.”

Nick Clegg doesn’t recall whether it was David Cameron or George Osborne who uttered these words. But he knows it was one of them. Why? Because he was sitting across the table from them in one of the coalition’s “Quad” meetings when this nugget of unguarded Tory honesty slipped out.

The former deputy prime minister is in no doubt that this represented the cynicism-drenched view of the Conservative leadership on social housing and its residents, going all the way back to Margaret Thatcher’s Right to Buy revolution in 1980.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 91296.html


It would actually work out cheaper to build more social housing than to continue to spend tax payers money putting people up in hotels and privately rented temporary accommodation. Such is the Tory scum way though. :pukeup:


But Labour started shovelling people in from all over the world, which Mandelson confirmed when he stated that they sent search parties out to find them etc.

The idea was to create a new underclass of people who would live in Expensive Rented houses that would make it stupid for them to even consider looking for work.

In essence Labour wanted to create an entirely new sub-culture of people totally dependent on the state --Who would always Vote Labour.

A Vote Buying exercise that you the tax payer would happily fund. What a great idea, and here is just one example...


"Asylum family choose £2m Kensington home
A family of nine Somalian asylum seekers have moved into a £8,000-a month five-bedroom house in London at the expense of the taxpayer

A family of Somalian asylum seekers now count celebrities and millionaires as their neighbours after moving to a £2.1m property paid for by the taxpayer.

The family of nine moved to the £8,000-a-month five-bedroom house in an exclusive area of Kensington in London last month.

In the latest example of taxpayers funding million-pound properties for families on benefit, Kensington and Chelsea council agreed to pay £2,000 a week to Abdi Nur, an unemployed bus conductor, his wife Sayruq and their seven children when they wanted to move from the Kensal Rise area of Brent after complaining about the poor quality of schools and shops.

The Nurs, who were granted asylum in the UK in 1999, are dependent on state benefits."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asyl ... wvgfh7g277


HTH here in correcting you on a Labour policy the Tories inherited :thumbsup:


Thatcher came before New Labour :pointlaugh: Over inflated fake news piece from a Tory scum rag.


Did you get a job yet? If not why not.
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Re: The Tories Hate Social Housing

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:57 pm

Fletch wrote::off head:


......Fucking troll is doing it all over these threads.
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