Will Labour win the next election?

[wutang]

What no one wants to admit is that this issue, and importing cheap labour is an issue, is all a major part of Capitalism.

Talking abour human beings as thought they are things to be imported or exported is dehumanising and opens up the space for vile shit like Yarls Wood (which the labour party are responsible for opening). Border controls are by default violent, and lots of pain and misery (plus death) are caused by them, to get support for them the state has to dehumanise its victims first.

Capitalism benefits from a fractured and divided working class. The response to that, and only way to challenge it, is full solidarity but Labour dont want to challenge capitalism merely reform bits of it.

[Lady Murasaki]

What no one wants to admit is that this issue, and importing cheap labour is an issue, is all a major part of Capitalism.

Talking abour human beings as thought they are things to be imported or exported is dehumanising and opens up the space for vile shit like Yarls Wood (which the labour party are responsible for opening). Border controls are by default violent, and lots of pain and misery (plus death) are caused by them, to get support for them the state has to dehumanise its victims first.

Capitalism benefits from a fractured and divided working class. The response to that, and only way to challenge it, is full solidarity but Labour dont want to challenge capitalism merely reform bits of it.

I don’t see much solidarity from you.
Of course you have to have border controls, what planet/commune are you living on?

[wutang]

And Corbyn wants 10,000 more of these pricks on the streets

[wutang]

I don’t see much solidarity from you.

I dont have solidarity with nationalism

Of course you have to have border controls, what planet/commune are you living on?

Why?

[Lady Murasaki]

I don’t see much solidarity from you.

I dont have solidarity with nationalism

Of course you have to have border controls, what planet/commune are you living on?

Why?

Why do you think?

[wutang]

Attlee's Labour Government vile repression on Malaysia (including setting up massive concentration camps). Used Agent Orange on the country - ala USA in Vietnam - called it a 'lucrative experiment'



That Labour Government was at least honest enough to admit that skullfucking the people in third world countries was needed to maintain UK living standards.



The debate over immigration should always been seen in this regard - the poor around the world want to come to the west because the west is rich at their expense. These places have paid the price in blood, sweat and tears and to deny them the right to seek a share is to say "fuck you" to them.

[wutang]

Windrush scandal.

Labour Government of 1960's laid the groundwork for it with its racist Commonwealth Immigrants Act 1968

The Commonwealth Immigrants Act 1968 provided that only Commonwealth citizens whose parents or grandparents were born in the UK would have an automatic right to enter and reside. This was a deliberate attempt to restrict non-white Commonwealth immigrants who would be far less likely to meet the criteria than nationals of white Commonwealth countries such as Canada and Australia. It did not prevent the arrival of migrants from places such as the Caribbean, or the Indian sub-continent, but it meant that they had to satisfy the immigration rules (albeit far less restrictive than they are today).

http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2018 ... capitalism

Same as the Labour Government of Brown inserted the 'good character' clause into immigration rules which Sajid Javid is now using against the victims of the windrush scandal

[Lady Murasaki]

Attlee's Labour Government vile repression on Malaysia (including setting up massive concentration camps). Used Agent Orange on the country - ala USA in Vietnam - called it a 'lucrative experiment'



That Labour Government was at least honest enough to admit that skullfucking the people in third world countries was needed to maintain UK living standards.



The debate over immigration should always been seen in this regard - the poor around the world want to come to the west because the west is rich at their expense. These places have paid the price in blood, sweat and tears and to deny them the right to seek a share is to say "fuck you" to them.

Well yeah, that’s what I said earlier. Importing cheap labour helps make well off countries richer.
Same is happening in Dubai atm.

[MungoBrush]

What no one wants to admit is that this issue, and importing cheap labour is an issue, is all a major part of Capitalism.

No-one wants to admit it because it’s bollox

Shopping around for cheap labour is no different to shopping around for cheap energy, or cheap car insurance
If 2 garages are advertising MOT’s one for £45 and one for £35 and you take the cheaper one then you are paying for cheap labour.

Hypocritical.

[Cannydc]

Just watched a floundering jellyfish by the name of T May being interviewed by Andrew Marr.

It was a horrible, toe curling car crash of an interview. Truly an indicator of how low May has sunk.

She is a dead woman walking.... in fact, sleepwalking, into oblivion and taking her vile party with her.

Be prepared to hear the same droning for the next three days - it's not our fault, it's everyone else's. Nope - it is your fault, and YOU ARE TOAST.

Yes, Labour will win the next election. And with any luck a few more after that.

[Lady Murasaki]

What no one wants to admit is that this issue, and importing cheap labour is an issue, is all a major part of Capitalism.

No-one wants to admit it because it’s bollox

Shopping around for cheap labour is no different to shopping around for cheap energy, or cheap car insurance
If 2 garages are advertising MOT’s one for £45 and one for £35 and you take the cheaper one then you are paying for cheap labour.

Hypocritical.

Capitalism relies on profits, modern day capitalism is all about the bottom line. Cheap labour = higher profits.

[wutang]

Well yeah, that’s what I said earlier. Importing cheap labour helps make well off countries richer.
Same is happening in Dubai atm.

Nah, exploiting poorer countries does that.

[wutang]

... modern day capitalism is all about the bottom line...

All capitalism is based on this. Its literally the basis of the mode of production - accumulate or die

[wutang]

Importing cheap labour helps make well off countries richer.

Also its more a case of export your capital to where the labour is cheap, then import back the profits.

No matter how cheap labour is in the uk its never gonna be 'a bowl of rice and a bed in a giant dormitory' cheap (except in the case of prison slave labour).

So even if you defend violent, racist border controls on a purely economic standpoint its doomed to fail.

Something the left should have learnt during the 20th century - trying to outplay capitalism at its own game is a recipe for disaster. Dont worry Im sure the Corbyns of the world will be there to blame it on the junkie-pimp-drug dealing-terrorists flooding the border when things go wrong.

[wutang]

A article on the history of racism, class and border controls

http://www.basepublication.org/?p=665

Quick history lesson for those that say we need border controls.

UK Modern immigration control started with the Aliens Act of 1905 (brought in by a Liberal Government after its was introduced by a Tory one and defended by the Labour movement as combating cheap foreign labour)

The act was aimed at Jews (UK has always been an anti-Semitic country):

This legislation was the culmination of a long period of cross-class fulminating over the “problem” of Jewish immigrants arriving in Britain after fleeing pogroms in the Eastern European Pale of Settlement in the last two decades of the nineteenth century. The content of these “debates” often had “Aliens” as a stand-in for Jews but despite this coded feature, the antisemitism of the discussions was hardly hidden. The context of Jews in Britain wasn’t a new one and pre-modern histories of Judeophobia, such as the longstanding Edict of Expulsion, became attached and adapted to these new waves of migration and the context of further capitalist development.

The hatred this fed on also manifested itself in far right attack mobs (just as anti-immigration stuff does now)

The British Brothers League was a proto-Fascist single-issue campaign in the East End that held rallies and protests advocating for immigration control from 1901-1905. It targeted the area in London where most Jews lived because Jewish immigration was the main focus.

The Jewish community were not gonna take this lying down (just as they and the communists were the ones leading the fight against Mosley while the Labour party sat back and did nothing):

...all consistent resistance to immigration controls was led by working class Jews and Jewish organisations, or Jews having to struggle within existing trade unions against support for controls. The anarchist Yiddish-language newspaper Der Arbeter Fraint (Workers’ Friend), based in the East End, castigated the British working class for their nationalism. The Alien Defence League was set up by Jewish workers during this time, with its headquarters in Brick Lane.

Shame that 100 years later the labour movement is still peddling the same racist nationalist shit