McDonald’s, TGI Fridays and JD Wetherspoon workers to Strike

[Maddog]

I have no doubt the government will find a way to fuck it up like they do everything that actually works.

What the government will do is pass watered down, ineffective, reforms hoping to placate the workers enough to stop them taking actions like strikes/protests. The wind will have been taken out of the sails of the workers movement and the government will champion itself as looking out for the interests of the people.

Same thing happened with the living wage - grassroots movement across the country aiming to force/pressurise businesses to pay a decent wage (the living wage). The government responded by renaming the minimum wage the 'Living wage' (even though it was below the level being sort after by the movement) and then championing themselves as being pro-worker.

And it will take away choices and use force. It's what government does under the guise of helping people.

That policy was started in Germany during the early 1930s whilst Socialist leaders were being executed.

The Red Terror predates that by a couple of decades.

In any event, government's using force is hardly new, and continues to this day. The level of force, of course, varies by country.

[Punk]

I have no doubt the government will find a way to fuck it up like they do everything that actually works.

What the government will do is pass watered down, ineffective, reforms hoping to placate the workers enough to stop them taking actions like strikes/protests. The wind will have been taken out of the sails of the workers movement and the government will champion itself as looking out for the interests of the people.

Same thing happened with the living wage - grassroots movement across the country aiming to force/pressurise businesses to pay a decent wage (the living wage). The government responded by renaming the minimum wage the 'Living wage' (even though it was below the level being sort after by the movement) and then championing themselves as being pro-worker.

And it will take away choices and use force. It's what government does under the guise of helping people.

That policy was started in Germany during the early 1930s whilst Socialist leaders were being executed.

The Red Terror predates that by a couple of decades.

In any event, government's using force is hardly new, and continues to this day. The level of force, of course, varies by country.

Communism is pro-state and party, not pro-people. Fascism claimed to be pro-people. Huge difference.

[Maddog]

Communism is pro-state and party, not pro-people. Fascism claimed to be pro-people. Huge difference.

I don't know how much difference the victims see in the two systems. Both systems were prone to murdering their citizens in large numbers.

[wutang]

Communism is pro-state and party, not pro-people.

A communist society would be one in which classes have been abolished which by default means a stateless one (and of course no political parties).

Even those that champion the state/party as the only means to achieve communism believe it will wither and die afterwards.

Im not sure wanting to achieve the destruction of all states is a sign you are pro-state

[wutang]

To coincide with the wetherspoons/mcdonalds/tgi friday strikes there is a nationwide strike by couriers working for deliveroo/uber eats/etc.

Seems Uber eats are rattled as they have been texting this to their couriers

[wutang]

[Stooo]

To coincide with the wetherspoons/mcdonalds/tgi friday strikes there is a nationwide strike by couriers working for deliveroo/uber eats/etc.

Seems Uber eats are rattled as they have been texting this to their couriers

Everyone who is working in the gig economy no matter what their hours or benefit claims are classed as employed by the present system. Personally I can't see the point in this form of delivery.

[Guest]

Communism is pro-state and party, not pro-people.

A communist society would be one in which classes have been abolished which by default means a stateless one (and of course no political parties).

Even those that champion the state/party as the only means to achieve communism believe it will wither and die afterwards.

Im not sure wanting to achieve the destruction of all states is a sign you are pro-state

So why in a communist classless society. Do you see the leaders driving around in limo's and holding State Banquets?
While living in plush houses/apartments and travelling first class?


Gandhi did none of these things.

[wutang]

So why in a communist classless society. Do you see the leaders driving around in limo's and holding State Banquets?
While living in plush houses/apartments and travelling first class?

Because they weren't communist societies.

They were, by their own admission, state-capitalist ones - they believed that communism could one day be achieved via that method and then the state would 'wither away and die' as it would be no longer needed. It was a flawed belief then and still is now.

[wutang]

Everyone who is working in the gig economy no matter what their hours or benefit claims are classed as employed by the present system.

That matter is still going through the courts. At present they are classed as self employed so not entitled to rights that employed workers have (sick pay, holidays, minimum wage etc).

[Guest]

So why in a communist classless society. Do you see the leaders driving around in limo's and holding State Banquets?
While living in plush houses/apartments and travelling first class?

Because they weren't communist societies.

They were, by their own admission, state-capitalist ones - they believed that communism could one day be achieved via that method and then the state would 'wither away and die' as it would be no longer needed. It was a flawed belief then and still is now.

Can you name a communist country then?
Because China and Russia always seemed to class themselves as communist countries.
Maybe Chairman Mao, should have consulted with you first

[Stooo]

Everyone who is working in the gig economy no matter what their hours or benefit claims are classed as employed by the present system.

That matter is still going through the courts. At present they are classed as self employed so not entitled to rights that employed workers have (sick pay, holidays, minimum wage etc).

That's what's showing up on the official stats along with students from abroad being classified as immigrants

[wutang]

Can you name a communist country then?
Because China and Russia always seemed to class themselves as communist countries.

And North Korea classes itself as a democratic republic. Does that make it a democracy?

Maybe Chairman Mao, should have consulted with you first

Fuck Mao

The first phase of Mao's rule was from 1949 to 1957. He made no secret of the fact that the new regime was based on the “bloc of four classes” and was carrying out a bourgeois nationalist revolution. It was essentially the program of the bourgeois nationalist Sun Yat-Sen from 25 years earlier. The corrupt landowning gentry was expropriated and eliminated.

But it is important to remember that “land to the peasants” and the expropriation of the pre-capitalist landholders are the bourgeois revolution, as they have been since the French Revolution of 1789. The regime for this reason was genuinely popular and many overseas Chinese who were not Communists returned to help rebuild the country. Some “progressive capitalists” were retained to continue running their factories.

https://libcom.org/history/notes-toward ... que-maoism