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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Maddog » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:50 pm

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Fletch wrote:Just to add, the Democrats and Clintons are not left wing. US doesn't have a left wing, nearest to it was Bernie and look what they did to him!

Liberal - Authoritarian is the vertical axis on the political compass.

Left - Right is the horizontal axis.

They are different things,

I agree with that but people get labelled as left very easily in America.
Give a homeless person a coffee you're a communist!



Give a homeless person a coffee and you're a considerate human being. Force someone to buy the homeless person a coffee and you may be a commie. :more beer:
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Fletch » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:04 pm

Ever actually looked up what Communism is mads?
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Stooo » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:27 pm

Fletch wrote:This is a right wing Trumptard repeating rumours that have been going round since end of last year/beginning of this year. It's a summary of Q (also known as Q anon) and other youtube 'researchers' commentary.

Q is some mysterious supposed deep state white hat who has been posting cryptic messages and making predictions on Reddit about how Trump has it all in hand and that the white hats are preparing to 'drain the swamp'. The predictions such as 'big bang this week' or 'arrests starting tomorrow' have all been wrong but followers don't seem to notice that and keep clinging to the narrative.

Much is made of snippets of information which they all then extrapolate to mean the arrest of all deep state actors, including Obama, and then military tribunals because the courts are corrupt deep state controlled. I did ask once what grounds were there for subjecting civilians to military law but was told I didn't understand or that it would happen so don't worry.

There are a lot of sealed indictments recorded on Pacer (indictment listing site) with talk of between 9000 to 14000 last time I checked and bigger claims of 40,000 are made. You need paid access to Pacer and each search costs so it's difficult to verify for the individual but there are sealed indictments which may or may not ever be unsealed. Could be deep state protecting it's assets by filing charges but never unsealing preventing any further action by legal bods.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/sealed- ... onspiracy/ (this one states 25,000 on August 2nd)

Q followers, and many that follow youtube reporters, are real heavy duty God botherers and avid supporters of guns and gun law. All sorts of weird and wacky ideas about the supernatural, secret societies, Satan and sacrifices abound. It's US right wing narratives in support of Trump and his promises to drain the swamp and 'save the republic'.

There's no doubt the US is run by deep state and corruption is everywhere but Trump is just an Israeli puppet neocon using his position to push his business internationally as well as domestically. He does the deep states bidding as worldwide attacks on Russia, China, North Korea, Syria (actual bombs), Iran and Lebanon, to name a few, shows. His supporters still cling to his words, they ignore his actions and people like The Health Ranger is one of many stoking the fires...and making money from it...

Don't take my word for it though, look for yourselves:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWW3gY ... p7o6qSK5gg

That is 24 hour channel about Q, just listen for a while and watch the comments. :ooer:

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Qanon is a product of 4chan /pol/, always hinting at a great reveal but never delivering. Q is identified by a secure trip code when he posts and it's generally assumed that several people, all known to each other use that trip code. It's probably some fucks possibly inspired by GNAA and all the fuckery that used to go on have decided to revive it by forming a cult for giggles and shits.

Q on Reddit is a problem. Spez the owner is a well known RW fuckwit but he's aware of the site's reach, as is the FBI. The rumour going around is that the hate sub, r/T_D has not been closed down due to an ongoing investigation by the Feds about RW terrorism. Time will tell.
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Stooo » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:28 pm

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Cannydc wrote:Funny how the left are 'traitors', but the right with their obvious collusion with Putin and Russian oligarchs / organised crime paint themselves as the good guys.

Don't know if you listened to it Canny but everyone slightly to the left of Mccarthy is for the jailhouse. They are already guilty.
The Washington post etc to be closed down and the staff marched off to jail and on and on it goes.
It has some very serious stuff in it and the disturbing signing of some very powerful executive orders which no I haven't checked if they have really been signed but I've asked another two Yanks I know online and they are saying the same as Tom and that is this is very real and happening right now.
People are talking witch hunts and civil war ... yes civil war.
America according to the Americans I talk to is in a very bad place just now it would seem.


WaPo is owned by the richest man in the world. Even the pound shop prez isn't that stupid.
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Maddog » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:10 pm

Fletch wrote:Ever actually looked up what Communism is mads?



Yes.

And my point remains unchanged. No one cares what people do with their own money. No one with a functioning brain confuses voluntarism with communism, therefore no one calls some one giving to the homeless, a commie. :whistle:

But when the state begins to use force, some may make that claim. The proper term would be Statism, which would cover Communism, Socialism and Fascism.
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Fletch » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:02 pm

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Fletch wrote:Ever actually looked up what Communism is mads?



Yes.

And my point remains unchanged. No one cares what people do with their own money. No one with a functioning brain confuses voluntarism with communism, therefore no one calls some one giving to the homeless, a commie. :whistle:

But when the state begins to use force, some may make that claim. The proper term would be Statism, which would cover Communism, Socialism and Fascism.


You didn't understand it then. Communism is a stateless society so how can it be "statism". :dunno:

The US has created it's own definitions for these things and are nothing like the true definition. Just portray them as nasty, dangerous and unworkable in case the proles get ideas that capitalism isn't really in their interest...and like good sheep, you all fall for it.
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Maddog » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:24 pm

Fletch wrote:
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Fletch wrote:Ever actually looked up what Communism is mads?



Yes.

And my point remains unchanged. No one cares what people do with their own money. No one with a functioning brain confuses voluntarism with communism, therefore no one calls some one giving to the homeless, a commie. :whistle:

But when the state begins to use force, some may make that claim. The proper term would be Statism, which would cover Communism, Socialism and Fascism.


You didn't understand it then. Communism is a stateless society so how can it be "statism". :dunno:

The US has created it's own definitions for these things and are nothing like the true definition. Just portray them as nasty, dangerous and unworkable in case the proles get ideas that capitalism isn't really in their interest...and like good sheep, you all fall for it.


OK, Communism is stateless. :thumbsup:
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Punk » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:42 pm

Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:Ever actually looked up what Communism is mads?



Yes.

And my point remains unchanged. No one cares what people do with their own money. No one with a functioning brain confuses voluntarism with communism, therefore no one calls some one giving to the homeless, a commie. :whistle:

But when the state begins to use force, some may make that claim. The proper term would be Statism, which would cover Communism, Socialism and Fascism.


You didn't understand it then. Communism is a stateless society so how can it be "statism". :dunno:

The US has created it's own definitions for these things and are nothing like the true definition. Just portray them as nasty, dangerous and unworkable in case the proles get ideas that capitalism isn't really in their interest...and like good sheep, you all fall for it.


OK, Communism is stateless. :thumbsup:


Wasn't Russia wiped off the map during Communist times? Just asking.
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Maddog » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:52 pm

Punk wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:Ever actually looked up what Communism is mads?



Yes.

And my point remains unchanged. No one cares what people do with their own money. No one with a functioning brain confuses voluntarism with communism, therefore no one calls some one giving to the homeless, a commie. :whistle:

But when the state begins to use force, some may make that claim. The proper term would be Statism, which would cover Communism, Socialism and Fascism.


You didn't understand it then. Communism is a stateless society so how can it be "statism". :dunno:

The US has created it's own definitions for these things and are nothing like the true definition. Just portray them as nasty, dangerous and unworkable in case the proles get ideas that capitalism isn't really in their interest...and like good sheep, you all fall for it.


OK, Communism is stateless. :thumbsup:


Wasn't Russia wiped off the map during Communist times? Just asking.


I have no idea anymore. I thought the Soviet Union was a communist country, but they had a state, so I don't know. :dunno:

Fletch is the expert on Russia and Communism, so perhaps he can clear things up.
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:13 pm

USSR was a totalitarian state labelled communist.
It wasn't communist.
Nazi Germany used the term socialist when it was nothing of the kind.
Many countries call themselves democratic and lots of us laugh.
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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:16 am

This short information film is very relevant today for the UK too.


The 3 min clip from a 17-minute short film called Don't Be a Sucker!, originally released in movie theatres at the height of the Second World War in 1943 by the United States' War Department and re-issued again in 1947, shows a charismatic white male giving a hate-filled speech against 'alien foreigners'

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Re: For the Americans here.

Postby Fletch » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:13 pm

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