WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Cannydc » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:06 am

Although the phrase "21st Century Socialism" was never used by a Labour politician, it was much mooted on here by at least one person desperate to misquote. However, now we hear this from Chancellor Hammond..

"Hammond told delegates: “Too many people have experienced years of slow wage growth, felt less secure in their jobs and seen the housing market spiral beyond their reach. And as they look around them, they feel a growing concern that they are falling behind.

“So the challenge is to ensure that 21st century capitalism delivers for them; to convince them that our vision of Britain’s future can meet their aspirations and that our plan, unlike Labour’s, will actually deliver a better tomorrow for them and their families.”

So, a direct quote referring to "21st century capitalism". Go ahead, Mungo - please define...
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:18 pm

21st century capitalism is socialism for the wealthiest because it works and capitalism for the rest which keeps impoverishing more and more people.
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Fletch » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:47 pm

Good luck with getting an answer canny, I'm still waiting for an answer as to what 21st century socialism is. :dunno:
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Cannydc » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:50 pm

Fletch wrote:Good luck with getting an answer canny, I'm still waiting for an answer as to what 21st century socialism is. :dunno:


I know, that's exactly why I asked...
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Fletch » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:54 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:21st century capitalism is socialism for the wealthiest because it works and capitalism for the rest which keeps impoverishing more and more people.


English councils brace for biggest government cuts since 2010 despite 'unprecedented' budget pressures

Councils are facing the biggest cuts to government funding since 2010 despite unprecedented pressure and demand, which could risk “tipping many over the edge”, local authorities have warned.

Figures show that the revenue support grant – the main source of government funding for local services – will be cut by 36 per cent next year, marking the largest annual deduction in almost a decade.

It comes despite repeated warnings that continuing cuts to vital local authority provisions mean vulnerable people, such as the elderly, at-risk children and homeless people, are being left to “fend for themselves”.

Almost half of all councils (168) will receive no support grant next year – marking a threefold rise on this year and a more than tenfold increase on 2017/18, the figures show.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 59486.html

Tories prepare to rob NHS of £2.7billion in "spiteful" stealth cuts despite claims they're ploughing in cash

The Tories are plotting NHS cuts of £2.7billion on the sly, after boasting about ploughing cash into the service.

Theresa May will raid the health budget over two years to cover rising pension costs.

The bill could pay for 61,500 nurses, 360,000 hip replacements and around 3.3million cataract ­operations during the same period.

Labour’s Peter Dowd said: “This shows you cannot trust the Tories with the NHS.”

It will leave less cash for frontline services already struggling to cope.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... n-13337555

(spotted by Jason Watkins on DS) :thumbsup:

There you go Jack, maybe this is it? :dunno:

How the hell public services will survive with this level of cuts is anyone's guess. They probably won't, which is always the Tories aim. :shake head:
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Stooo » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:57 pm

Charlie Mullins is making a go of it :dunno:
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby MungoBrush » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:24 pm

Fletch wrote:Good luck with getting an answer canny, I'm still waiting for an answer as to what 21st century socialism is. :dunno:


I'd like to know that as well
Can you please ask Jon Lansman as these are his exact words:

"Jon Lansman, the founder of the Corbyn-supporting Momentum group which wants more grassroots say over policy, was among three new members elected.
He hailed the result as a victory for "21st Century socialism"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42688288
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Fletch » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:38 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Fletch wrote:Good luck with getting an answer canny, I'm still waiting for an answer as to what 21st century socialism is. :dunno:


I'd like to know that as well
Can you please ask Jon Lansman as these are his exact words:

"Jon Lansman, the founder of the Corbyn-supporting Momentum group which wants more grassroots say over policy, was among three new members elected.
He hailed the result as a victory for "21st Century socialism"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42688288


Ask him then, he wasn't the one posting about it on here, linking to a publication that wasn't actually called 21st century Socialism or claiming it's what Venezuela has. That was you, but you don't seem able to explain why you used the phrase, what it is or what aspect of Venezuela typifies it. :dunno:

As a Tory supporter, any idea what is meant by 21st century capitalism?
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Cannydc » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:41 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Fletch wrote:Good luck with getting an answer canny, I'm still waiting for an answer as to what 21st century socialism is. :dunno:


I'd like to know that as well
Can you please ask Jon Lansman as these are his exact words:

"Jon Lansman, the founder of the Corbyn-supporting Momentum group which wants more grassroots say over policy, was among three new members elected.
He hailed the result as a victory for "21st Century socialism"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42688288


:pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl:

Wriggle wriggle wriggle........

He actually said "“At last the 21st century version of the socialist party I joined 44 years ago,”

Direct quote from his Twitter feed....

Please try not to reference BBC lazy misquotes, ta.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 74731.html
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Fletch » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:50 pm

Good catch canny. I don't rate the BBC at all for news. They just provide a narrative that suits the government.
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:11 pm

Fletch wrote:Good catch canny. I don't rate the BBC at all for news. They just provide a narrative that suits the government.

A narrative suits the powers that be more like.
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Fletch » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:20 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Fletch wrote:Good catch canny. I don't rate the BBC at all for news. They just provide a narrative that suits the government.

A narrative suits the powers that be more like.


Well corrected Jack :thumbsup:
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby MungoBrush » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:05 am

Fletch wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Fletch wrote:Good catch canny. I don't rate the BBC at all for news. They just provide a narrative that suits the government.

A narrative suits the powers that be more like.


Well corrected Jack :thumbsup:


Keep up - you plonker

It was Lansman's interview on BBC 5-live that I quoted
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Cannydc » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:07 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Fletch wrote:Good catch canny. I don't rate the BBC at all for news. They just provide a narrative that suits the government.

A narrative suits the powers that be more like.


Well corrected Jack :thumbsup:


Keep up - you plonker

It was Lansman's interview on BBC 5-live that I quoted


The link wasn't to an interview on 5-Live, so perhaps you have that and can provide ?

Otherwise, it sounds like "I'm sure I heard him say that the other day on the radio" when in reality (as per his actual statement on Twitter) he actually said something different...
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Re: WHAT IS 21st CENTURY CAPITALISM ?

Postby Maddog » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:53 pm

Fletch wrote:Good luck with getting an answer canny, I'm still waiting for an answer as to what 21st century socialism is. :dunno:


You're awaiting an answer you agree with. That's the thing about answers. They are often not the answer you want.
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