Our environment.

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Postby art0hur0moh » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:48 am

An overly simplified analogy. The Sun drives climate, the Earth is the car with it own Consciousness. The Earth will decide if it is to get cooler or warmer, we will simply be the tool that fulfills the Earths will. There is a far reaching reason I envision why the Earth wants us to become an interstellar species. Who dosen't want the chance to live forever? When the Sun goes supernova, I don't think the Earths consciousness wants to be lift behind? But who am I to invision what God wants? Consciousness can manifest itself across the void the first Divine Creator!
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Re: Our environment.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:07 am

The Gift of Death

Pathological consumption has become so normalised that we scarcely notice it.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 11th December 2012

There’s nothing they need, nothing they don’t own already, nothing they even want. So you buy them a solar-powered waving queen; a belly button brush; a silver-plated ice cream tub holder; a “hilarious” inflatable zimmer frame; a confection of plastic and electronics called Terry the Swearing Turtle; or – and somehow I find this significant – a Scratch Off World wall map.

They seem amusing on the first day of Christmas, daft on the second, embarrassing on the third. By the twelfth they’re in landfill. For thirty seconds of dubious entertainment, or a hedonic stimulus that lasts no longer than a nicotine hit, we commission the use of materials whose impacts will ramify for generations.

Researching her film The Story of Stuff, Annie Leonard discovered that of the materials flowing through the consumer economy, only 1% remain in use six months after sale(1). Even the goods we might have expected to hold onto are soon condemned to destruction through either planned obsolescence (breaking quickly) or perceived obsolesence (becoming unfashionable).

But many of the products we buy, especially for Christmas, cannot become obsolescent. The term implies a loss of utility, but they had no utility in the first place. An electronic dr>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: Our environment.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:13 am

In this house we are consuming less and less.
There's nothing we really yearn for or desire.
All the flash cars in the world are a big turn off.
We're about to hit the road more meaning our consumption of diesel and tyres will be going up while our household bills start going down.
I was in Ikea last Sunday transporting stuff for my daughter.
Ikea on a Sunday .... is my idea of hell.
Extremely well thought out shop to get you to consume.
I lasted 20 minutes in there and the heat of thousands of bodies in the flames of hell was just to much for me.
Consume consume consume.
These places are temples to consumerism and it's the biggest highlight of many peoples lives.
The above right up sums it up well.
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Re: Our environment.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:17 am

LordRaven wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:I can't understand why anyone would want a car in most parts of London.
Don't you have the urge the need to go outside of London though just now and again?


When there is a need to of course, but I have got used to using Trains --which I have to say (apart from stinking filthy toilets) are quite good. I recall the old "let the train take the strain" line and I do feel it is true.

Going to airports or up to Wales, York or Scotland it is so much easier. However the ticket prices can be a bit eye watering.

Sitting reading a book, charging your phone or just having a few beers in the buffer car makes life so much easier on long journeys, and in fact on short ones like Ascot and Bath etc.

I would rather they expand the rail network to cope with more passengers tbh

So you arrive at a railway station in Wales what do you do then?
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Re: Our environment.

Postby LordRaven » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:55 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:I can't understand why anyone would want a car in most parts of London.
Don't you have the urge the need to go outside of London though just now and again?


When there is a need to of course, but I have got used to using Trains --which I have to say (apart from stinking filthy toilets) are quite good. I recall the old "let the train take the strain" line and I do feel it is true.

Going to airports or up to Wales, York or Scotland it is so much easier. However the ticket prices can be a bit eye watering.

Sitting reading a book, charging your phone or just having a few beers in the buffer car makes life so much easier on long journeys, and in fact on short ones like Ascot and Bath etc.

I would rather they expand the rail network to cope with more passengers tbh

So you arrive at a railway station in Wales what do you do then?


Get family or friends to pick me up or maybe walk, but I have never had a problem getting a cab either. Why do you ask?
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Re: Our environment.

Postby LordRaven » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:59 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:In this house we are consuming less and less.
There's nothing we really yearn for or desire.
All the flash cars in the world are a big turn off.
We're about to hit the road more meaning our consumption of diesel and tyres will be going up while our household bills start going down.
I was in Ikea last Sunday transporting stuff for my daughter.
Ikea on a Sunday .... is my idea of hell.
Extremely well thought out shop to get you to consume.
I lasted 20 minutes in there and the heat of thousands of bodies in the flames of hell was just to much for me.
Consume consume consume.
These places are temples to consumerism and it's the biggest highlight of many peoples lives.
The above right up sums it up well.


I hope you appreciate what I mean when I say a healthy housing market and people moving home is vital for the economy of this country.
And I hope you know IKEA is designed to help make a house a home for the people buying or renting properties and the scrap and house clearance companies thriving at the other end of the spectrum for bereavements etc.
A thriving housing market helps jobs for people in retail, removals, transport, lawyers, estate agents etc etc
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Re: Our environment.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:46 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:In this house we are consuming less and less.
There's nothing we really yearn for or desire.
All the flash cars in the world are a big turn off.
We're about to hit the road more meaning our consumption of diesel and tyres will be going up while our household bills start going down.
I was in Ikea last Sunday transporting stuff for my daughter.
Ikea on a Sunday .... is my idea of hell.
Extremely well thought out shop to get you to consume.
I lasted 20 minutes in there and the heat of thousands of bodies in the flames of hell was just to much for me.
Consume consume consume.
These places are temples to consumerism and it's the biggest highlight of many peoples lives.
The above right up sums it up well.


I hope you appreciate what I mean when I say a healthy housing market and people moving home is vital for the economy of this country.
And I hope you know IKEA is designed to help make a house a home for the people buying or renting properties and the scrap and house clearance companies thriving at the other end of the spectrum for bereavements etc.
A thriving housing market helps jobs for people in retail, removals, transport, lawyers, estate agents etc etc

I simply can't imagine getting around Wales without a car. All the beautiful stuff the wild stuff the best beaches the oldest woodlands are miles from anywhere.
Taxi drops you off then you stand under a rock or a tree waiting for the taxi to come back and pick you up?
Whatever flicks your switch I suppose.
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Re: Our environment.

Postby Cannydc » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:10 pm

Same applies to Norfolk.

One bus a week, the taxi ride is £30...
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Re: Our environment.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:12 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:In this house we are consuming less and less.
There's nothing we really yearn for or desire.
All the flash cars in the world are a big turn off.
We're about to hit the road more meaning our consumption of diesel and tyres will be going up while our household bills start going down.
I was in Ikea last Sunday transporting stuff for my daughter.
Ikea on a Sunday .... is my idea of hell.
Extremely well thought out shop to get you to consume.
I lasted 20 minutes in there and the heat of thousands of bodies in the flames of hell was just to much for me.
Consume consume consume.
These places are temples to consumerism and it's the biggest highlight of many peoples lives.
The above right up sums it up well.


I hope you appreciate what I mean when I say a healthy housing market and people moving home is vital for the economy of this country.
And I hope you know IKEA is designed to help make a house a home for the people buying or renting properties and the scrap and house clearance companies thriving at the other end of the spectrum for bereavements etc.
A thriving housing market helps jobs for people in retail, removals, transport, lawyers, estate agents etc etc

The healthy housing market seems to be about to follow the healthy tower block market.
The bubble is about to pop.

London's 'ghost towers': Centre Point joins growing list of empty luxury skyscrapers as developer gives up trying to sell apartments for up to £55m each after receiving too many 'detached from reality' low offers
How about this governments idea of affordable housing .... half a million quid .... realy?
The bubble is deflating.
London's 'ghost towers': Centre Point joins growing list of empty luxury skyscrapers as developer gives up trying to sell apartments for up to £55m each after receiving too many 'detached from reality' low offers >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/lo ... ailsignout
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Re: Our environment.

Postby Grafenwalder » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:16 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:In this house we are consuming less and less.
There's nothing we really yearn for or desire.
All the flash cars in the world are a big turn off.
We're about to hit the road more meaning our consumption of diesel and tyres will be going up while our household bills start going down.
I was in Ikea last Sunday transporting stuff for my daughter.
Ikea on a Sunday .... is my idea of hell.
Extremely well thought out shop to get you to consume.
I lasted 20 minutes in there and the heat of thousands of bodies in the flames of hell was just to much for me.
Consume consume consume.
These places are temples to consumerism and it's the biggest highlight of many peoples lives.
The above right up sums it up well.


I hope you appreciate what I mean when I say a healthy housing market and people moving home is vital for the economy of this country.
And I hope you know IKEA is designed to help make a house a home for the people buying or renting properties and the scrap and house clearance companies thriving at the other end of the spectrum for bereavements etc.
A thriving housing market helps jobs for people in retail, removals, transport, lawyers, estate agents etc etc

I simply can't imagine getting around Wales without a car. All the beautiful stuff the wild stuff the best beaches the oldest woodlands are miles from anywhere.
Taxi drops you off then you stand under a rock or a tree waiting for the taxi to come back and pick you up?
Whatever flicks your switch I suppose.

UK doesn't have a decent enough infrastructure to make public transport viable and dispose of the car. As Raven likes railway travel then by far the best country to visit and see how it really can be done is Switzerland where virtually everywhere is accessible by bus and train, even up some mountains! And typical Swiss, it's super efficient too.

London is ok to get around via public transport but as for the rest of the UK..that's another planet!
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