Lady Murasaki wrote:Where do I sign up?
What about, Your happiness is your own responsibility.
MungoBrush wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:Where do I sign up?
What about, Your happiness is your own responsibility.
Does point 4 mean that they are anti tax?
Lady Murasaki wrote:MungoBrush wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:Where do I sign up?
What about, Your happiness is your own responsibility.
Does point 4 mean that they are anti tax?
Taxes aren’t stealing when put to good use, healthcare/education / infrastructure.
Adam Smith to Richard Spencer: Why Libertarians turn to the Alt-Right
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To understand why libertarians are so susceptible to white supremacist ideas, we have to look at the history of it, specifically within the United States. The fact is that libertarianism has always been a refuge of racism and implicit support for authoritarianism, despite direct contradiction to their supposed ideology. Throughout history, the men who are considered the cornerstone of the right libertarian philosophy supported brutal dictators. Look at Mises’ support of Mussolini, or Hayek and Friedman’s backing of Pinochet. It is clear that the these people have always been willing to put aside ideology for what they see as an end that justifies the means, even in such morally abhorrent cases as supporting Apartheid in South Africa or the Confederacy under the pretence of ‘states rights’. This lingering white supremacy in the libertarian movement carried on beyond the mid twentieth century, into the ideologies of Murray Rothbard and Lew Rockwell. Rothbard himself wrote that “The proper strategy of libertarians and paleos is a strategy of ‘right-wing populism” Essentially, that means appealing to the racism held within the right of American society (not dissimilar to what we see in Donald Trump).
As hinted at by its historical development, libertarianism is particularly appealing to white middle class men. It seems fairly obvious why; this group is perhaps the most privileged in our society, and sees little reason for a change in the societal order in place. Similarly, the alt-right and all levels of far-right politics hold exactly the same goal, though admittedly they aim to achieve them through different means. But when the advantages start to erode, that’s when they are forced to turn to more reactionary, authoritarian ideologies. Immigration is an ideal example for this, since under a libertarian ideology, immigration should not be restricted in any way. Borders are one of the major constructs of the state, and we shouldn’t be restricting the right of people to choose where they live. However, if you actually talk to libertarians, very often you’ll find that they are far more against immigration than their supposed ideology would suggest.
calitom wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:MungoBrush wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:Where do I sign up?
What about, Your happiness is your own responsibility.
Does point 4 mean that they are anti tax?
Taxes aren’t stealing when put to good use, healthcare/education / infrastructure.
Yes..of course there are many complications to this issue. America went without federal taxes for quite a while and did very well.
Historically, when faced with a choice between the two, the capitalist will side with the fascist. Now is no different. In this time of extreme polarisation, we’re seeing reactionaries flocking to the side they are closest to. Private property is perhaps the strongest libertarian principle, above any other, and socialists are the ones who want to abolish it, not fascists.
wutang wrote:THis bit sums up perfectly why libertarians almost always end up backing fascismHistorically, when faced with a choice between the two, the capitalist will side with the fascist. Now is no different. In this time of extreme polarisation, we’re seeing reactionaries flocking to the side they are closest to. Private property is perhaps the strongest libertarian principle, above any other, and socialists are the ones who want to abolish it, not fascists.
all their talk about rights and liberties is bullshit. what it always comes down to is property (wealth) and they will support anything that will protect their property.... including the most ruthlessly authoritarian governments as long as they protect their precious wealth from the organised push back of the have nots.
This is why libertarianism is purely an ideology of the privileged sections of society.
Lady Murasaki wrote:MungoBrush wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:Where do I sign up?
What about, Your happiness is your own responsibility.
Does point 4 mean that they are anti tax?
Taxes aren’t stealing when put to good use, healthcare/education / infrastructure.
Stooo wrote:calitom wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:MungoBrush wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:Where do I sign up?
What about, Your happiness is your own responsibility.
Does point 4 mean that they are anti tax?
Taxes aren’t stealing when put to good use, healthcare/education / infrastructure.
Yes..of course there are many complications to this issue. America went without federal taxes for quite a while and did very well.
But now your roads and bridges are failing.
Maddog wrote:
....The person that earn the money, or the person that's taking the money?
Maddog wrote:
Libertarians will always side with those that promote the most freedom.
Maddog wrote:Sometimes that's been people on the right as opposed to people on the left
Maddog wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:MungoBrush wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:Where do I sign up?
What about, Your happiness is your own responsibility.
Does point 4 mean that they are anti tax?
Taxes aren’t stealing when put to good use, healthcare/education / infrastructure.
Who gets to decide what's a good use? The person that earn the money, or the person that's taking the money?
calitom wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:MungoBrush wrote:Lady Murasaki wrote:Where do I sign up?
What about, Your happiness is your own responsibility.
Does point 4 mean that they are anti tax?
Taxes aren’t stealing when put to good use, healthcare/education / infrastructure.
Yes..of course there are many complications to this issue. America went without federal taxes for quite a while and did very well.
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