Donald needs a war to secure a 2nd term

[Rolluplostinspace]

Iran is completely surrounded but we still haven't moved .... for a reason.
Remember America aren't very good at winning wars.

[LordRaven]

Maybe then he will win a Nobel peace prize?

In uniting most of the Middle East in a loose coalition behind him? Or blowing Iran's armed capability off the face of the planet --something he could easily do.

Have you seen our new warships?
only cost $20 million each and $20,000 a day to run. They are drones and can stay at sea for months. We can build thousands of the fuckers for the price of one Aircraft Carrier. And nothing could move on water if we didn't want it to!

Please tell us more because I cannot find any latest generation stealth capable warship that cheap?

[Rolluplostinspace]

The possible scary scenario for anyone wanting to destroy Iran is do they have just one atomic warhead?
If they do they will have designed it just right.
They will fire it skyward at the exact right time and detonate it a few miles up and knock out every communications device for a few hundred miles.
All engines petrol diesel jet will grind to a halt.
No military will be able to communicate between themselves each other governments etc except Iranian because funnily enough all their gear is hardened against such an event.
No one else has much hardened electronic gear.
The Russians showed up America's weakness in this regard a couple of years ago when one plane knocked out completely an American destroyer.
No engines no radio no phones no nothing.
The response was what the hell is that thing?
So is anyone really ready to take them on yet?

All things will have been taken into consideration and any EMP threat included along with any nuke capability --which will be the first to be targeted.
The aim will be to completely blind them right from the kick off before they even know what is happening.

The only reason it hasn't already been attacked by America Israel is because it is far more difficult than that.

Rather a lack of political will, and that hurdle has been removed with Donald now in charge.

The Iranians bricked it when they saw how fast Saddam was defeated because he gave them quite a few bloody good hidings and yet his tanks were destroyed by forces backing the the Northern Alliance who only had Humvees -with the ability to call in just one piece of ordnance that would destroy an entire Iraqi Tank Regiment.

The Iranians were ready to sit down for talks at that time but the typically arrogant yanks missed the opportunity.

Iraq fell because Bush senior had destroyed their military and then eleven years of sanctions and no fly zones were imposed to make it safe for us to attack.
I wouldn't say Iran bricked it at all.
They defeated Iraq that were backed financed armed trained by the Anglo America war machine to destroy Iran.
They failed.

[LordRaven]

Iran is completely surrounded but we still haven't moved .... for a reason.
Remember America aren't very good at winning wars.

I think they have realised they don't need to, they plan to bomb the place back to the stone age and not bother going in with boots on the ground just to remove the threat.

[LordRaven]

The possible scary scenario for anyone wanting to destroy Iran is do they have just one atomic warhead?
If they do they will have designed it just right.
They will fire it skyward at the exact right time and detonate it a few miles up and knock out every communications device for a few hundred miles.
All engines petrol diesel jet will grind to a halt.
No military will be able to communicate between themselves each other governments etc except Iranian because funnily enough all their gear is hardened against such an event.
No one else has much hardened electronic gear.
The Russians showed up America's weakness in this regard a couple of years ago when one plane knocked out completely an American destroyer.
No engines no radio no phones no nothing.
The response was what the hell is that thing?
So is anyone really ready to take them on yet?

All things will have been taken into consideration and any EMP threat included along with any nuke capability --which will be the first to be targeted.
The aim will be to completely blind them right from the kick off before they even know what is happening.

The only reason it hasn't already been attacked by America Israel is because it is far more difficult than that.

Rather a lack of political will, and that hurdle has been removed with Donald now in charge.

The Iranians bricked it when they saw how fast Saddam was defeated because he gave them quite a few bloody good hidings and yet his tanks were destroyed by forces backing the the Northern Alliance who only had Humvees -with the ability to call in just one piece of ordnance that would destroy an entire Iraqi Tank Regiment.

The Iranians were ready to sit down for talks at that time but the typically arrogant yanks missed the opportunity.

Iraq fell because Bush senior had destroyed their military and then eleven years of sanctions and no fly zones were imposed to make it safe for us to attack.
I wouldn't say Iran bricked it at all.
They defeated Iraq that were backed financed armed trained by the Anglo America war machine to destroy Iran.
They failed.

So wrong, Saddam did something unthinkable in that he took it upon himself to sue for peace with the Iranians when he realised the war was costly in men and materiale for both countries.

In doing so he signed his own death warrant by going against the wishes of those who backed him because once peace was established Israel was not happy about 5 Million modern armed men to its North.

At that point plans were drawn up against him.

[Guest]

As with all domestically failing leaders Donald needs to divert attention away from said failings to make himself popular, and what better way to do that than to go to war.
He has moved US Embassy to Jerusalem and is clearly taking sides in doing so.
He is aligned with the Saudis against Iranian regional mastery.
Turkey is a NATO ally.
With the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" it seems there could be an odd alliance of US/Israel/Saudi Arabi lining themselves up to deal with a common foe and that can only be Iran.
Iran after all has nuclear ambitions and the Donald has made a first move in withdrawing from Obama's olive branch agreements and is indeed going down the route of crippling sanctions.
The Iranian currency is failing, teachers are striking in Iran and goods and supplies are suffering and the Iranian people are not happy resulting in civil discontent and protests.
More of this is to come with even more sanctions which will cripple the country even more, and this can be done by US pressure on other countries NOT to deal with Iranian oil companies.
When its economy is on its ass and the people in open revolt all that is needed is a pre-emptive strike from Sea and Air to take out all major military infrastructure followed by an attack on civilian infrastructure and they'd be very much in the stone age.
Could Iran stop this with current military assets? No not a hope in hell! And I am sure Tel Aviv and the Saudis would join in to help remove the biggest threat to themselves in the region.
We could end up with another 3rd world shitehole in total disarray with inter-factional fighting and to arms could be sold for cheap oil. Better to deal with factions rather than a strong nation state after all - as per previous cases in recent decades.
Personally I do think plans are being laid and I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey gets involved too. Donald wants a war.
No need for troops on the ground either.

He's not a failing leader, so your premise is baseless, not to mention ridiculous.

[wutang]

Iran is completely surrounded but we still haven't moved .... for a reason.
Remember America aren't very good at winning wars.

This.

Iran isnt Iraq. Its far more unified unlike Iraq which was a mess from the second the UK/France/Russia artifically created it, in fact the Iranian opposition get mad at the west for stirring up trouble against the Government because this just feeds into nationalistic support for it amongst the Iranian people - the Iranian ruling elites are strengthen by American sable-rattling.

The Iranian army is pretty tough - their special forces are as good as any you will find elsewhere. They are the reason Israel keeps getting buttfucked in Lebanon (like in 2006).

Also America has no international support for it. Talk of a Saudi/Israel military alliance (LOL) means shit if China, Russia, Turkey (important regional player) oppose it. The political and economic fallout would be catastrophic - at a time when the global economy is still weak anything to destabilise it like this would be suicidal.

[Maddog]

As with all domestically failing leaders Donald needs to divert attention away from said failings to make himself popular, and what better way to do that than to go to war.
He has moved US Embassy to Jerusalem and is clearly taking sides in doing so.
He is aligned with the Saudis against Iranian regional mastery.
Turkey is a NATO ally.
With the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" it seems there could be an odd alliance of US/Israel/Saudi Arabi lining themselves up to deal with a common foe and that can only be Iran.
Iran after all has nuclear ambitions and the Donald has made a first move in withdrawing from Obama's olive branch agreements and is indeed going down the route of crippling sanctions.
The Iranian currency is failing, teachers are striking in Iran and goods and supplies are suffering and the Iranian people are not happy resulting in civil discontent and protests.
More of this is to come with even more sanctions which will cripple the country even more, and this can be done by US pressure on other countries NOT to deal with Iranian oil companies.
When its economy is on its ass and the people in open revolt all that is needed is a pre-emptive strike from Sea and Air to take out all major military infrastructure followed by an attack on civilian infrastructure and they'd be very much in the stone age.
Could Iran stop this with current military assets? No not a hope in hell! And I am sure Tel Aviv and the Saudis would join in to help remove the biggest threat to themselves in the region.
We could end up with another 3rd world shitehole in total disarray with inter-factional fighting and to arms could be sold for cheap oil. Better to deal with factions rather than a strong nation state after all - as per previous cases in recent decades.
Personally I do think plans are being laid and I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey gets involved too. Donald wants a war.
No need for troops on the ground either.

What Trump needs is for the US economy to keep rolling like gangbusters, and for the Democrats to nominate some idiot. Dropping bombs on other countries is more of an Obama type trait, and I don't think it would help Trump in the least to do something like that.

[Guest]

Iran is completely surrounded but we still haven't moved .... for a reason.
Remember America aren't very good at winning wars.

This.

Iran isnt Iraq. Its far more unified unlike Iraq which was a mess from the second the UK/France/Russia artifically created it, in fact the Iranian opposition get mad at the west for stirring up trouble against the Government because this just feeds into nationalistic support for it amongst the Iranian people - the Iranian ruling elites are strengthen by American sable-rattling.

The Iranian army is pretty tough - their special forces are as good as any you will find elsewhere. They are the reason Israel keeps getting buttfucked in Lebanon (like in 2006).

Also America has no international support for it. Talk of a Saudi/Israel military alliance (LOL) means shit if China, Russia, Turkey (important regional player) oppose it. The political and economic fallout would be catastrophic - at a time when the global economy is still weak anything to destabilise it like this would be suicidal.

Turkey is part of NATO and a big player in that region, so kindly explain why it would leave NATO and ally itself with China and Russia?

[Paul Revere]

Iran is completely surrounded but we still haven't moved .... for a reason.
Remember America aren't very good at winning wars.

War of independence.
War against Spain that gave America all of Spain’s remaining colonies.
Sorted the Germans and Japanese.
All Total War

Then the politicians and public took charge and ever since it’s been limited war abiding by strict rules.
Send any boxer into the ring with one arm tied behind his back and watch what happens.

You’re an ill informed moron.

[wutang]

Turkey is part of NATO and a big player in that region, so kindly explain why it would leave NATO and ally itself with China and Russia?

I have no need to explain something I never said.

Turkey would be one of several major countries - inc. Russia and China - who would oppose a USA war with Iran and America needs Turkey for its airbases. Also Turkey are no fans of Saudi Arabia as demonstrated by the current situation involving the murdered journalist so supporting a conflict that would strengthen them at the expense of Iran (who Turkey are more friendly with) is a no-no

You could also chuck in Iraq with that issue as well. Iraq are friends with Iran so the idea that America could start a war, using bases in Iraq, without it backfireing into a major escalation of the Iraq situation (same in Afghanistan) is a pipe dream.

[Richie BowWow]

No he doesn't, the economy is going great guns.

[Guest]

Iran is completely surrounded but we still haven't moved .... for a reason.
Remember America aren't very good at winning wars.

War of independence.
War against Spain that gave America all of Spain’s remaining colonies.
Sorted the Germans and Japanese.
All Total War

Then the politicians and public took charge and ever since it’s been limited war abiding by strict rules.
Send any boxer into the ring with one arm tied behind his back and watch what happens.

You’re an ill informed moron.

HEY,HEY,HEY...Leave rollup alone now. He's a dogs patriarch and every thing he says is gospel and has to be believed.
(Or, he's a doddery old cunt. With barely any education)

[Rolluplostinspace]

Iran is completely surrounded but we still haven't moved .... for a reason.
Remember America aren't very good at winning wars.

War of independence.
War against Spain that gave America all of Spain’s remaining colonies.
Sorted the Germans and Japanese.
All Total War

Then the politicians and public took charge and ever since it’s been limited war abiding by strict rules.
Send any boxer into the ring with one arm tied behind his back and watch what happens.

You’re an ill informed moron.

They won the war of independence only with the help of the Russians and the French.
I know they won their civil war.
America didn't show up for the second world war till extra time.
Russia won the second world war while Wall st backed Germany.

[Ray of Sunshine]

Yes it wasn't strictly a revolution and without the French navy the U.S. wouldn't have won.