Quakes in Blackpool again.

Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:35 pm

Blackpool hit by four earthquakes just days after fracking started again in the area


Blackpool hit by four earthquakes just days after fracking started again in the area


Blackpool has been hit by four earthquakes just days after the controversial practice of fracking began again in the area. The latest quake hit this afternoon at levels where scientists say the process should ‘proceed with caution.’ Fracking was stopped for years after two earthquakes in Lancashire and experts have now raised fears that ‘there may be trouble ahead.’


David Smythe, Emeritus Professor of Geophysics, University of Glasgow, told Metro.co.uk: ‘Recent research by Stanford University shows that these tiny tremors can be indicators of bigger quakes to follow – like canaries in a coal-mine. ‘The problem for Cuadrilla is that if it carries on regardless, bigger earthquakes may well be triggered. ‘To quote Cole Porter; “There may be trouble ahead”. Cuadrilla’s only safe option is to cease fracking.’


Initial studies by the British Geological Society suggested the quakes were linked to the fracking activities while an independent report found ‘most likely, the repeated seismicity was induced by direct injection of fluid into the fault zone.’


Earlier this week, gas firm Cuadrilla announced they were back at one of their shale gas drilling sites after campaigners lost a last-minute legal challenge at the high court. Less than 72 hours later, Blackpool was hit with three minor quakes on Thursday at 3.48pm, 10.54pm and 11.44pm.


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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Cannydc » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:55 pm

The measured magnitudes were;

0.3

-0.3

-0.2

-0.8

As an example of how vanishingly insignificant they were, there was a magnitude 3.1 quake centred on Newton Aycliff a month ago.

There were precisely NO reports from people living there...

https://earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/earthquak ... vents.html

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... -aycliffe/
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:59 pm

Cannydc wrote:The measured magnitudes were;

0.3

-0.3

-0.2

-0.8

As an example of how vanishingly insignificant they were, there was a magnitude 3.1 quake centred on Newton Aycliff a month ago.

There were precisely NO reports from people living there...

https://earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/earthquak ... vents.html

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... -aycliffe/

The experts are saying they are signs of bigger things to come. The experts are saying the only safe option is to stop. The fact they were only smalle vibrations is not important. What's important is they are linked directly to the pressure being forced into the ground and bigger can be expected. Bigger are almost inevitable.
Will they be forced to stop?
No.
Should they be?
According to the experts it's the only safe option.
But they'll carry on and they should do so under the clear understanding they will be charged with murder or corporate manslaughter for ignoring the warnings.
They should be guaranteed big jail time for any and all deaths attributed to them.
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Cobs » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:10 pm

I'm going with the socialist on this one. :pmsl:
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:12 pm

Money money money.
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:19 pm

This is just one site.
It's clearly causing problems with possibly far more serious consequences.
This will be allowed to continue meaning more sites will start fracking around the area.
Common sense will not prevail.
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Cannydc » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:28 pm

Experts, eh ?

" Fracking has been going on in the US for decades, and has become much more common in recent years, yet evidence that it causes earthquakes has so far been elusive. " New Scientist

" Reports of hydraulic fracturing causing felt earthquakes are extremely rare. " USGS

" A new Berkeley study shows that fracking-induced earthquakes can generate significant anxiety in the public." Environmental Epidemiology

Seemingly before they even happen. There does seem to be an awful lot of 'pre-emptive panic' over fracking. I don't recall the same panic over other underground activities (gas, oil, mining).
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Cobs » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:29 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:This is just one site.
It's clearly causing problems with possibly far more serious consequences.
This will be allowed to continue meaning more sites will start fracking around the area.
Common sense will not prevail.

When actual earthquakes happen I'm sure it will be reported by the msm.
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:54 pm

Maybe Lancashire is not suitable for fracking pressure.
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby LordRaven » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:43 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Maybe Lancashire is not suitable for fracking pressure.


The economic benefits must be explored and from what I have read there is not much danger or threat of earthquakes -- tho' I will keep an open mind on the matter and watch what happens going forward.

My real concern is any danger of pollutants getting into the water table, that part of the world has incredibly soft water compared to down here and I would hate to think fracking will pollute it.
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby calitom » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:48 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:This is just one site.
It's clearly causing problems with possibly far more serious consequences.
This will be allowed to continue meaning more sites will start fracking around the area.
Common sense will not prevail.


some real studies of seismic activity in the region over a long period from the past til the present should easily sort
out if the fracking method actually induced these minor tremors.

just having slight increased tremor activity after fracking had commenced is no reason to draw any conclusions.
if this increased activity rarely if ever occurs then it certainly makes sense to do further studies because the increase is unique.

if this activity occurred on and off for the decades that this seismic activity has been monitored--and before fracking was
done in the region then that likely eliminates fracking as the cause.

headlines are mostly bs. but you never know until the actual numbers are properly worked.
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:17 pm

For Tom

David Smythe, Emeritus Professor of Geophysics, University of Glasgow, told Metro.co.uk: ‘Recent research by Stanford University shows that these tiny tremors can be indicators of bigger quakes to follow – like canaries in a coal-mine. ‘The problem for Cuadrilla is that if it carries on regardless, bigger earthquakes may well be triggered. ‘To quote Cole Porter; “There may be trouble ahead”. Cuadrilla’s only safe option is to cease fracking.’been at the centre of the angry debate over fracking after two earthquakes in 2011 forced the practice to stop. Initial studies by the British Geological Society suggested the quakes were linked to the fracking activities while an independent report found ‘most likely, the repeated seismicity was induced by direct injection of fluid into the fault zone.’


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Postby Guest » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:19 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:For Tom

David Smythe, Emeritus Professor of Geophysics, University of Glasgow, told Metro.co.uk: ‘Recent research by Stanford University shows that these tiny tremors can be indicators of bigger quakes to follow – like canaries in a coal-mine. ‘The problem for Cuadrilla is that if it carries on regardless, bigger earthquakes may well be triggered. ‘To quote Cole Porter; “There may be trouble ahead”. Cuadrilla’s only safe option is to cease fracking.’been at the centre of the angry debate over fracking after two earthquakes in 2011 forced the practice to stop. Initial studies by the British Geological Society suggested the quakes were linked to the fracking activities while an independent report found ‘most likely, the repeated seismicity was induced by direct injection of fluid into the fault zone.’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/19/blackpoo ... to=cbshare

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And yet decades of your forebodings have been proved ever so wrong, why is that?
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:07 pm

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Rolluplostinspace wrote:For Tom

David Smythe, Emeritus Professor of Geophysics, University of Glasgow, told Metro.co.uk: ‘Recent research by Stanford University shows that these tiny tremors can be indicators of bigger quakes to follow – like canaries in a coal-mine. ‘The problem for Cuadrilla is that if it carries on regardless, bigger earthquakes may well be triggered. ‘To quote Cole Porter; “There may be trouble ahead”. Cuadrilla’s only safe option is to cease fracking.’been at the centre of the angry debate over fracking after two earthquakes in 2011 forced the practice to stop. Initial studies by the British Geological Society suggested the quakes were linked to the fracking activities while an independent report found ‘most likely, the repeated seismicity was induced by direct injection of fluid into the fault zone.’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/19/blackpoo ... to=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/
And yet decades of your forebodings have been proved ever so wrong, why is that?

These are nothing to do with me.
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Re: Quakes in Blackpool again.

Postby calitom » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:36 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:For Tom

David Smythe, Emeritus Professor of Geophysics, University of Glasgow, told Metro.co.uk: ‘Recent research by Stanford University shows that these tiny tremors can be indicators of bigger quakes to follow – like canaries in a coal-mine. ‘The problem for Cuadrilla is that if it carries on regardless, bigger earthquakes may well be triggered. ‘To quote Cole Porter; “There may be trouble ahead”. Cuadrilla’s only safe option is to cease fracking.’been at the centre of the angry debate over fracking after two earthquakes in 2011 forced the practice to stop. Initial studies by the British Geological Society suggested the quakes were linked to the fracking activities while an independent report found ‘most likely, the repeated seismicity was induced by direct injection of fluid into the fault zone.’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/19/blackpoo ... to=cbshare

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Jack_i am not at all disagreeing that tiny tremors can be precursors for greater events. But that doesnt change my position that the data has to be looked at carefully.
These tiny tremors may have been occurring before fracking was ever introduced into the region.--In that case YES--the tiny tremors could lead to something bigger and NO the tremors werent necessarily caused by the fracking. Both things can be true.
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