Thousands to march to American border.

Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby wutang » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:44 pm

More on how America capitalists, backed by Washington essentially own Honduras

By 1914, U.S. banana interests owned almost 1 million acres of Honduras’ best land. These holdings grew through the 1920s to such an extent that, as LaFeber asserts, Honduran peasants “had no hope of access to their nation’s good soil.” Over a few decades, U.S. capital also came to dominate the country’s banking and mining sectors, a process facilitated by the weak state of Honduras’ domestic business sector. This was coupled with direct U.S. political and military interventions to protect U.S. interests in 1907 and 1911.

Such developments made Honduras’ ruling class dependent on Washington for support. A central component of this ruling class was and remains the Honduran military. By the mid-1960s it had become, in LaFeber’s words, the country’s “most developed political institution,” – one that Washington played a key role in shaping.

http://theconversation.com/how-us-polic ... tion-65935


How Reagan's militarisation of Honduras, plus his dumbfuck economic reforms fucked the country resulting in social breakdown and people fleeing

The Reagan years also saw the construction of numerous joint Honduran-U.S. military bases and installations. Such moves greatly strengthened the militarization of Honduran society. In turn, political repression rose. There was a dramatic increase in the number of political assassinations, “disappearances” and illegal detentions.

The Reagan administration also played a big role in restructuring the Honduran economy. It did so by strongly pushing for internal economic reforms, with a focus on exporting manufactured goods. It also helped deregulate and destabilize the global coffee trade, upon which Honduras heavily depended. These changes made Honduras more amenable to the interests of global capital. They disrupted traditional forms of agriculture and undermined an already weak social safety net.

These decades of U.S. involvement in Honduras set the stage for Honduran emigration to the United States, which began to markedly increase in the 1990s.


Both Obama/Clinton and Trump help support and solidify control by numerous brutal respressive and corrupt regimes post-2009 coup.

Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.” The Trump administration’s recognition, in December 2017, of President Juan Orlando Hernández’s re-election—after a process marked by deep irregularities, fraud and violence. This continues Washington’s longstanding willingness to overlook official corruption in Honduras as long as the country’s ruling elites serve what are defined as U.S. economic and geopolitical interests.

Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. The frequent politically motivated killings are rarely punished. In 2017, Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization, found that Honduras was the world’s deadliest country for environmental activists.

Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined over the last few years, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods.


And of course rampant free market economics continue to fuck over everyone except the rich (the same whenever its forced on developing countries) which has resulted in... yep you guessed it: PEOPLE FLEEING

Meanwhile, post-coup governments have intensified an increasingly unregulated, free market form of capitalism that makes life unworkable for many by undermining the country’s limited social safety net and greatly increasing socioeconomic inequality. Government spending on health and education, for example, has declined in Honduras. Meanwhile, the country’s poverty rate has risen markedly. These contribute to the growing pressures that push many people to migrate.
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Maddog » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:17 pm

wutang wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Ah 1911.


Which directly leads to 2009 and as a result 2018

Maddog wrote:Perhaps some Brits deserve a piece of France because of their meddling in 1778.

Let's be honest. The American Revolution should be blamed on France.


WTF are you babbling on about :off head:



I'm talking about how other countries tend to get involved in the internal strife of others. Often, many in that country welcome that intrusion. Others in the same country don't like it so much. It's been happening since the dawn of time. Factions form alliances within their country and with allies from outside their country.



I don't see much good in many of these foreign entanglements, but sometimes things are a little more complex than "America bad".
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:02 pm

Maddog wrote:
wutang wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Ah 1911.


Which directly leads to 2009 and as a result 2018

Maddog wrote:Perhaps some Brits deserve a piece of France because of their meddling in 1778.

Let's be honest. The American Revolution should be blamed on France.


WTF are you babbling on about :off head:



I'm talking about how other countries tend to get involved in the internal strife of others. Often, many in that country welcome that intrusion. Others in the same country don't like it so much. It's been happening since the dawn of time. Factions form alliances within their country and with allies from outside their country.



I don't see much good in many of these foreign entanglements, but sometimes things are a little more complex than "America bad".

Not what Americas meddling is about though is it.
Overthrowing elected governments and putting in right wingers with death squads and such is bound to come back and bite you on the arse at some point.
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:04 pm

We now have America threatening to destroy Iran's economy .... again.
Bunch of terrorist bastards.
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Maddog » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:14 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Maddog wrote:
wutang wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Ah 1911.


Which directly leads to 2009 and as a result 2018

Maddog wrote:Perhaps some Brits deserve a piece of France because of their meddling in 1778.

Let's be honest. The American Revolution should be blamed on France.


WTF are you babbling on about :off head:



I'm talking about how other countries tend to get involved in the internal strife of others. Often, many in that country welcome that intrusion. Others in the same country don't like it so much. It's been happening since the dawn of time. Factions form alliances within their country and with allies from outside their country.



I don't see much good in many of these foreign entanglements, but sometimes things are a little more complex than "America bad".

Not what Americas meddling is about though is it.
Overthrowing elected governments and putting in right wingers with death squads and such is bound to come back and bite you on the arse at some point.



It's more like helping the assholes that like us better than the assholes that don't.

Stalin > Hitler

Saudi > Iran.
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:28 pm

Maddog wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Maddog wrote:
wutang wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Ah 1911.


Which directly leads to 2009 and as a result 2018

Maddog wrote:Perhaps some Brits deserve a piece of France because of their meddling in 1778.

Let's be honest. The American Revolution should be blamed on France.


WTF are you babbling on about :off head:



I'm talking about how other countries tend to get involved in the internal strife of others. Often, many in that country welcome that intrusion. Others in the same country don't like it so much. It's been happening since the dawn of time. Factions form alliances within their country and with allies from outside their country.



I don't see much good in many of these foreign entanglements, but sometimes things are a little more complex than "America bad".

Not what Americas meddling is about though is it.
Overthrowing elected governments and putting in right wingers with death squads and such is bound to come back and bite you on the arse at some point.



It's more like helping the assholes that like us better than the assholes that don't.

Stalin > Hitler

Saudi > Iran.

Yeah I've seen the Yanky bullshit machine .... Iran biggest exporter of terrorism when we all know It's Saudi and America.
The best is .... Iran are messing about in other people's affairs in the middle east .... you couldn't fucking make that up.
People read that shit from America and oh yes as they nod.
What a bunch of fucking freaks!
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Maddog » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:46 pm

Yeah I've seen the Yanky bullshit machine .... Iran biggest exporter of terrorism when we all know It's Saudi and America.
The best is .... Iran are messing about in other people's affairs in the middle east .... you couldn't fucking make that up.
People read that shit from America and oh yes as they nod.
What a bunch of fucking freaks!


Iran and Saudi are both shitty regimes, and they are fighting each other in various places throughout the Middle East. I don't think we should be associated with either one, but please spare me the bullshit about one being any better than the other.

Again, we pick the assholes that are better to us.
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Fletch » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:57 pm

wutang wrote:More on how America capitalists, backed by Washington essentially own Honduras

By 1914, U.S. banana interests owned almost 1 million acres of Honduras’ best land. These holdings grew through the 1920s to such an extent that, as LaFeber asserts, Honduran peasants “had no hope of access to their nation’s good soil.” Over a few decades, U.S. capital also came to dominate the country’s banking and mining sectors, a process facilitated by the weak state of Honduras’ domestic business sector. This was coupled with direct U.S. political and military interventions to protect U.S. interests in 1907 and 1911.

Such developments made Honduras’ ruling class dependent on Washington for support. A central component of this ruling class was and remains the Honduran military. By the mid-1960s it had become, in LaFeber’s words, the country’s “most developed political institution,” – one that Washington played a key role in shaping.

http://theconversation.com/how-us-polic ... tion-65935


How Reagan's militarisation of Honduras, plus his dumbfuck economic reforms fucked the country resulting in social breakdown and people fleeing

The Reagan years also saw the construction of numerous joint Honduran-U.S. military bases and installations. Such moves greatly strengthened the militarization of Honduran society. In turn, political repression rose. There was a dramatic increase in the number of political assassinations, “disappearances” and illegal detentions.

The Reagan administration also played a big role in restructuring the Honduran economy. It did so by strongly pushing for internal economic reforms, with a focus on exporting manufactured goods. It also helped deregulate and destabilize the global coffee trade, upon which Honduras heavily depended. These changes made Honduras more amenable to the interests of global capital. They disrupted traditional forms of agriculture and undermined an already weak social safety net.

These decades of U.S. involvement in Honduras set the stage for Honduran emigration to the United States, which began to markedly increase in the 1990s.


Both Obama/Clinton and Trump help support and solidify control by numerous brutal respressive and corrupt regimes post-2009 coup.

Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.” The Trump administration’s recognition, in December 2017, of President Juan Orlando Hernández’s re-election—after a process marked by deep irregularities, fraud and violence. This continues Washington’s longstanding willingness to overlook official corruption in Honduras as long as the country’s ruling elites serve what are defined as U.S. economic and geopolitical interests.

Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. The frequent politically motivated killings are rarely punished. In 2017, Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization, found that Honduras was the world’s deadliest country for environmental activists.

Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined over the last few years, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods.


And of course rampant free market economics continue to fuck over everyone except the rich (the same whenever its forced on developing countries) which has resulted in... yep you guessed it: PEOPLE FLEEING

Meanwhile, post-coup governments have intensified an increasingly unregulated, free market form of capitalism that makes life unworkable for many by undermining the country’s limited social safety net and greatly increasing socioeconomic inequality. Government spending on health and education, for example, has declined in Honduras. Meanwhile, the country’s poverty rate has risen markedly. These contribute to the growing pressures that push many people to migrate.


Was pointed out last time there was a caravan march how US meddling in Honduras and the region causes so much grief but it fell on deaf ears. :maddog:
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Maddog » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:02 pm

Fletch wrote:
wutang wrote:More on how America capitalists, backed by Washington essentially own Honduras

By 1914, U.S. banana interests owned almost 1 million acres of Honduras’ best land. These holdings grew through the 1920s to such an extent that, as LaFeber asserts, Honduran peasants “had no hope of access to their nation’s good soil.” Over a few decades, U.S. capital also came to dominate the country’s banking and mining sectors, a process facilitated by the weak state of Honduras’ domestic business sector. This was coupled with direct U.S. political and military interventions to protect U.S. interests in 1907 and 1911.

Such developments made Honduras’ ruling class dependent on Washington for support. A central component of this ruling class was and remains the Honduran military. By the mid-1960s it had become, in LaFeber’s words, the country’s “most developed political institution,” – one that Washington played a key role in shaping.

http://theconversation.com/how-us-polic ... tion-65935


How Reagan's militarisation of Honduras, plus his dumbfuck economic reforms fucked the country resulting in social breakdown and people fleeing

The Reagan years also saw the construction of numerous joint Honduran-U.S. military bases and installations. Such moves greatly strengthened the militarization of Honduran society. In turn, political repression rose. There was a dramatic increase in the number of political assassinations, “disappearances” and illegal detentions.

The Reagan administration also played a big role in restructuring the Honduran economy. It did so by strongly pushing for internal economic reforms, with a focus on exporting manufactured goods. It also helped deregulate and destabilize the global coffee trade, upon which Honduras heavily depended. These changes made Honduras more amenable to the interests of global capital. They disrupted traditional forms of agriculture and undermined an already weak social safety net.

These decades of U.S. involvement in Honduras set the stage for Honduran emigration to the United States, which began to markedly increase in the 1990s.


Both Obama/Clinton and Trump help support and solidify control by numerous brutal respressive and corrupt regimes post-2009 coup.

Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.” The Trump administration’s recognition, in December 2017, of President Juan Orlando Hernández’s re-election—after a process marked by deep irregularities, fraud and violence. This continues Washington’s longstanding willingness to overlook official corruption in Honduras as long as the country’s ruling elites serve what are defined as U.S. economic and geopolitical interests.

Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. The frequent politically motivated killings are rarely punished. In 2017, Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization, found that Honduras was the world’s deadliest country for environmental activists.

Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined over the last few years, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods.


And of course rampant free market economics continue to fuck over everyone except the rich (the same whenever its forced on developing countries) which has resulted in... yep you guessed it: PEOPLE FLEEING

Meanwhile, post-coup governments have intensified an increasingly unregulated, free market form of capitalism that makes life unworkable for many by undermining the country’s limited social safety net and greatly increasing socioeconomic inequality. Government spending on health and education, for example, has declined in Honduras. Meanwhile, the country’s poverty rate has risen markedly. These contribute to the growing pressures that push many people to migrate.


Was pointed out last time there was a caravan march how US meddling in Honduras and the region causes so much grief but it fell on deaf ears. :maddog:


They really should turn around. Why would anyone want to live here? :dunno:
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Fletch » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:11 pm

Maddog wrote:They really should turn around. Why would anyone want to live here? :dunno:


It's better than the chaos the US meddling has caused in their own country?

At least they think so. You can't blame them for hope.
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Maddog » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:01 pm

Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:They really should turn around. Why would anyone want to live here? :dunno:


It's better than the chaos the US meddling has caused in their own country?

At least they think so. You can't blame them for hope.


Doubtful. It's terrible here. You really should get word to them and have them turn around. :leer:
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Maddog » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:08 pm

I mean not only are they going to try to get into a shithole country, but they will be trying to get into the worst part of it (Texas).
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Fletch » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:40 pm

Bank of England Refuses Venezuela’s Request to Return $550 Million In Gold

Earlier, Caracas indicated that it was looking to repatriate some 14 tons of gold bars back from the UK out of concern that the bullion may be affected by harsh US sanctions against the Latin American country.

The Bank of England is refusing to release Venezuela’s gold bars, worth about $550 million or £420 million, back to Caracas, with British officials understood to have referred to “standard” anti-money laundering measures, The Times reports, citing unnamed sources.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/bank-of-e ... retarded/5659271

An example of how the west (UK/US) treat countries that refuse to be vassal states to them.

Wait for the ahh 'but socialism' bullshit from the usual suspects next time Venezuela is mentioned. :roll:
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Ray of Sunshine » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:44 pm

Central America is the most violent part of the world with the highest murder rate.

But surely you could screen those gang members out pretty easily since they have tattooed faces?
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Re: Thousands to march to American border.

Postby Fletch » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:33 pm

The Troika of Tyranny: The Imperialist Project in Latin America and Its Epigones

US Emerges as the World’s Hegemon

The United States emerged after World War II as the leading imperialist power. With the implosion of the Socialist Bloc around 1991, US hegemony became even more consolidated. Today the US is the undisputed world’s hegemon.

Hegemony means to rule but even more so to dominate. As the world’s hegemon, the US will not tolerate neutral parties, let alone hostile ones. As articulated in the Bush Doctrine, the US will try to asphyxiate any nascent counter-hegemonic project, no matter how insignificant.

In the Caribbean, for instance, the US snuffed out the leftist government of Grenada in 1983 in what was code named Operation Urgent Fury. Grenada has a population smaller than Vacaville, California.

The only powers that the world’s hegemon will tolerate are junior partners such as Colombia in Latin America. The junior partner must accept a neoliberal economic regime designed to serve the interests of capital. Structural adjustment of the economy is demanded such that the neoliberal “reforms” become irreversible; so that you can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50576.htm

Ah but, socialism...

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