Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Compost corner » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:21 pm

Nivarna wrote:I personally think that all crime should be investigated, whether it be hate, violent or otherwise. Cutting Police numbers means there aren't enough officers, so they should rectify that. There would be no excuses then. :thumbsup:

I totally agree.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Grafenwalder » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:07 pm

Wilson wrote:Accusations of antisemitism have been horribly used politically. I hope these investigations weed out real cases & deal with them but also put to bed the trumped up accusations that have been used to misrepresent and smear political opponents. Sadly I doubt the media will allow that. The way they're reporting these investigations is awful. Claiming the party is under investigation rather than just some individuals & WTF is LBC doing with a "leaked dossier"? :roll:

The far right are on the rise, making major electorial gains across the world. It's vital now more than ever that something as important and sensitive as antisemitism is reported properly but all we're seeing is political game playing. This has to stop.

The BBC have clearly reported the police investigated allegations against individual members and the party itself is not under any. Yes the far right are on the rise and smears are just one of their weapons. How long have they persisted with their antisemitic smear campaign against Corbyn which was being churned out by the hate rag media with such regularity people were becoming desensitised by it.

A few weeks back BBC screened a documentary called "We are British Jews". The group of eight varied from a non-practising pork eater to a fanatical Zionist. They took the group to Israel where they met both Jewish and Palestinians. The Zionist fellow stomped off when they met a Palestinian activist campaigning for non-violent resistance but the real highlight was meeting an Israeli man who introduced the guy alongside him as "this Palestinian terrorist"....then went on to say how "he's my dearest 'brother' and in so many way's the closest person to me on earth". Both had suffered family member losses, yet chose to come together as 'brothers' and gave very powerful testimony to how an Israeli Jew and Palestinian Arab can live in peace.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Gigabit » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:05 am

Thread title is wrong. Labour Party not being investigated. 4 members are, which is 0.00061% of the membership.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Guest » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:11 am

5 pages of deflection by anti-Semites.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Cannydc » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:48 am

Guest wrote:5 pages of deflection by anti-Semites.


Oh, the desperation, Viper.

You really need to keep up with the times - the police are looking at potential anti-Semitism by a handful of people.

Welcomed by me and almost all Labour party members. We don't want anything to do with them.

Presumably they will do the same about anti-Muslim prejudice within the Tory party, which as an even handed person you will welcome.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Guest » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:02 am

Cannydc wrote:
Guest wrote:5 pages of deflection by anti-Semites.


Oh, the desperation, Viper.

You really need to keep up with the times - the police are looking at potential anti-Semitism by a handful of people.

Welcomed by me and almost all Labour party members. We don't want anything to do with them.

Presumably they will do the same about anti-Muslim prejudice within the Tory party, which as an even handed person you will welcome.

Are you saying we have a choice to vote for anti-Muslims or anti- Jewish parties in Britain?
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby McAz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:23 am

Cannydc wrote:
Guest wrote:5 pages of deflection by anti-Semites.


Oh, the desperation, Viper.

You really need to keep up with the times - the police are looking at potential anti-Semitism by a handful of people.

Welcomed by me and almost all Labour party members. We don't want anything to do with them.

Presumably they will do the same about anti-Muslim prejudice within the Tory party, which as an even handed person you will welcome.


That not what the sad sack uses his even-handedness for. :hand:
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Cannydc » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:52 am

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Guest wrote:5 pages of deflection by anti-Semites.


Oh, the desperation, Viper.

You really need to keep up with the times - the police are looking at potential anti-Semitism by a handful of people.

Welcomed by me and almost all Labour party members. We don't want anything to do with them.

Presumably they will do the same about anti-Muslim prejudice within the Tory party, which as an even handed person you will welcome.

Are you saying we have a choice to vote for anti-Muslims or anti- Jewish parties in Britain?


Neither.

There are a few loons in every party (except UKIP, it's a pre-requisite with them) but their views in no way represent the views of the party as a whole.

And you know it, as do the smear-ridden right wing tabloids.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:54 am

Gigabit wrote:Thread title is wrong. Labour Party not being investigated. 4 members are, which is 0.00061% of the membership.


This is what Scotland Yard keep saying but the media don’t want to report it like that.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby McAz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:36 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Gigabit wrote:Thread title is wrong. Labour Party not being investigated. 4 members are, which is 0.00061% of the membership.


This is what Scotland Yard keep saying but the media don’t want to report it like that.

We tend to think of the "the media" as if it was some kind of collective decision making body that reaches a consensus on issues through rational consideration. In reality it is mostly composed of a handful of individuals (and their highly paid lackeys) with no loyalty to this country or its people who decide what's what in pursuit of their own interests (profit and power in the main) or simply on a whim or through personal bias.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:45 am

McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Gigabit wrote:Thread title is wrong. Labour Party not being investigated. 4 members are, which is 0.00061% of the membership.


This is what Scotland Yard keep saying but the media don’t want to report it like that.

We tend to think of the "the media" as if it was some kind of collective decision making body that reaches a consensus on issues through rational consideration. In reality it is mostly composed of a handful of individuals (and their highly paid lackeys) with no loyalty to this country or its people who decide what's what in pursuit of their own interests (profit and power in the main) or simply on a whim or personal bias.


That certainly helps explain why ‘they’ report in such a distorted way. There’s a tendency for people to read less of the whole story nowadays as well so soundbites are passed around, especially online, and if people read it often enough they end up believing it.

Omg, in a way Trump’s right about Fake News! You have to look into the story behind the sound bite.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby McAz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:50 am

Lady Murasaki wrote:
McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Gigabit wrote:Thread title is wrong. Labour Party not being investigated. 4 members are, which is 0.00061% of the membership.


This is what Scotland Yard keep saying but the media don’t want to report it like that.

We tend to think of the "the media" as if it was some kind of collective decision making body that reaches a consensus on issues through rational consideration. In reality it is mostly composed of a handful of individuals (and their highly paid lackeys) with no loyalty to this country or its people who decide what's what in pursuit of their own interests (profit and power in the main) or simply on a whim or personal bias.


That certainly helps explain why ‘they’ report in such a distorted way. There’s a tendency for people to read less of the whole story nowadays as well so soundbites are passed around, especially online, and if people read it often enough they end up believing it.

Omg, in a way Trump’s right about Fake News! You have to look into the story behind the sound bite.

The media, including social media, has become increasingly weaponized. It should be seen and used for what is by us as well as them. If you are seeking "truth" (whatever the hell that means) then study philosophy or turn to religion.

For me there is no truth, only degrees of ever-shifting illusion - just as the only immutable thing is change itself.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby Lady Murasaki » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:10 pm

McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
McAz wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Gigabit wrote:Thread title is wrong. Labour Party not being investigated. 4 members are, which is 0.00061% of the membership.


This is what Scotland Yard keep saying but the media don’t want to report it like that.

We tend to think of the "the media" as if it was some kind of collective decision making body that reaches a consensus on issues through rational consideration. In reality it is mostly composed of a handful of individuals (and their highly paid lackeys) with no loyalty to this country or its people who decide what's what in pursuit of their own interests (profit and power in the main) or simply on a whim or personal bias.


That certainly helps explain why ‘they’ report in such a distorted way. There’s a tendency for people to read less of the whole story nowadays as well so soundbites are passed around, especially online, and if people read it often enough they end up believing it.

Omg, in a way Trump’s right about Fake News! You have to look into the story behind the sound bite.

The media, including social media, has become increasingly weaponized. It should be seen and used for what is by us as well as them. If you are seeking "truth" (whatever the hell that means) then study philosophy or turn to religion.

For me there is no truth, only degrees of ever-shifting illusion - just as the only immutable thing is change itself.


That’s too defeatist and will lead to complete apathy or everyone lying about everything. Some things are still worth caring about but in a measured way.
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby McAz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:21 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:That’s too defeatist and will lead to complete apathy or everyone lying about everything. Some things are still worth caring about but in a measured way.


Everyone is lying about everything, or at least they are spinning things their way. You can choose to muck in and get your hands dirty or sit back in the delusion that somewhere, sometime, you will encounter impartiality and "truth". If there is such a thing as objectivity (and that's debatable) then it exists only in science through the Scientific Method. The scumbags that rule this world are very careful not to subject their bullshit to the scrutiny of the Scientific Method.

"Don't follow leaders, but watch the parkin' meters" was never more true than it is today
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Re: Police investigate 'antisemitic hate crime' within Labour

Postby McAz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:38 pm

Apologies, but I couldn't resist the rest of the song:

Get born, keep warm
Short pants, romance
Learn to dance, get dressed, get blessed
Try to be a success
Please her, please him, buy gifts
Don't steal, don't lift
Twenty years of schoolin'
And they put you on the day shift
Look out kid
They keep it all hid
Better jump down a manhole
Light yourself a candle
Don't wear sandals
Try to avoid the scandals
Don't want to be a bum
You better chew gum
The pump don't work
'Cause the vandals took the handles

(Bob Dylan)


Says most of what anyone needs to know about "reality". :smilin:
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