Do you think we are headed for no deal?

[Gigabit]

I reckon No Deal is about 60/40.

[Cannydc]

No, for two very good reasons.

First, it is poison for the Tory party, who would be deemed responsible for the aftermath and seen as unelectable for a generation.

Second, no-one wants it, bar the Brexit 'Ultras' who are both in a minority and insane, so it will be voted down in parliament.

Treeza will resign. There will be a general election. There is every chance that Article 50 will be revoked, cancelling Brexit.

[McAz]

I don't share Canny's optimism, but I hope he's right.

Still, if push comes to shove it won't be members of the "remainer elite" who will bear the brunt but the Sunderland Massive who were too lazy or pissed-up to think for themselves.

[LordRaven]

No, for two very good reasons.

First, it is poison for the Tory party, who would be deemed responsible for the aftermath and seen as unelectable for a generation.

Second, no-one wants it, bar the Brexit 'Ultras' who are both in a minority and insane, so it will be voted down in parliament.

Treeza will resign. There will be a general election. There is every chance that Article 50 will be revoked, cancelling Brexit.

Always look on the bright side of life

[wutang]

I think article 50 will be extended for a couple more years allowing the whole circus to continue.

[Wilson]

The threat of No Deal will be used to force Parliament to vote for Theresa May's Chequers shambles. The opposition have said they won't stand for this but whether the right of the Labour party stand by this is another matter. I'm crossing my fingers that Labour unite and put themselves in a stong position to force a general election. Those that vote to save Theresa May's career won't be forgiven...

[Cannydc]

The threat of No Deal will be used to force Parliament to vote for Theresa May's Chequers shambles. The opposition have said they won't stand for this but whether the right of the Labour party stand by this is another matter. I'm crossing my fingers that Labour unite and put themselves in a stong position to force a general election. Those that vote to save Theresa May's career won't be forgiven...

Some will betray the party for sure, just like last time. However, there seems to be dozens of Tory rebels plus the hope that the DUP will vote against Chequers too. Mind, I don't trust them.

[Stooo]

The trickle of businesses leaving is turning into a flood, if Article 50 is extended it just gives our financial base more time to relocate and we are already facing at least ten years to regain what we had before the referendum.

There's three choices which are also the proposed options for a Peoples Vote:

1. Chequers. No-one wants Chequers, leavers, remainers, absolutely nobody; it's shit.

2. No deal. Equally shit and instant suicide for the country. I hear all of this rhetoric about civil unrest if the quitter ref is overturned, If my son is unable to get his insulin and becomes ill then I'm not going to sit on my hands and patriotically sing Jerusalem, and nor will those affected by other medicine, food or power (Yes power, Article 50, paragraph 3) losses.

3. Remain. Things will eventually return to normal but it's going to be shit for a while, recession and probably a Greece style bail out to tide us over in the meantime; seriously, we are that fucked right now! At least medicine and food will get through.

At the end of all of this we need to talk about electoral reform, political funding and transparency. We also need to get the law involved to investigate and prosecute the traitors in Parliament, the media and big business who have kissed Putin's ring. This needs to be treated for what it is, an insult on our democracy paid for and perpetuated by gangsters.

[Wilson]

No, for two very good reasons.

First, it is poison for the Tory party, who would be deemed responsible for the aftermath and seen as unelectable for a generation.

Second, no-one wants it, bar the Brexit 'Ultras' who are both in a minority and insane, so it will be voted down in parliament.

Treeza will resign. There will be a general election. There is every chance that Article 50 will be revoked, cancelling Brexit.

They won't call a general election willingly, knowing a REAL socialist PM will be elected. They'll fight it with everything they have with the support of 99% of the media.
The opposition need to be strong & united to force a general election. The rest of us will need to do our bit too, write to MPs get out & protest etc.

[Stooo]

No, for two very good reasons.

First, it is poison for the Tory party, who would be deemed responsible for the aftermath and seen as unelectable for a generation.

Second, no-one wants it, bar the Brexit 'Ultras' who are both in a minority and insane, so it will be voted down in parliament.

Treeza will resign. There will be a general election. There is every chance that Article 50 will be revoked, cancelling Brexit.

They won't call a general election willingly, knowing a REAL socialist PM will be elected. They'll fight it with everything they have with the support of 99% of the media.
The opposition need to be strong & united to force a general election. The rest of us will need to do our bit too, write to MPs get out & protest etc.

Yeah but you lot are miles behind the crappest government since Suez in the polls. Ever wonder why?

[Cannydc]

No, for two very good reasons.

First, it is poison for the Tory party, who would be deemed responsible for the aftermath and seen as unelectable for a generation.

Second, no-one wants it, bar the Brexit 'Ultras' who are both in a minority and insane, so it will be voted down in parliament.

Treeza will resign. There will be a general election. There is every chance that Article 50 will be revoked, cancelling Brexit.

They won't call a general election willingly, knowing a REAL socialist PM will be elected. They'll fight it with everything they have with the support of 99% of the media.
The opposition need to be strong & united to force a general election. The rest of us will need to do our bit too, write to MPs get out & protest etc.

Yeah but you lot are miles behind the crappest government since Suez in the polls. Ever wonder why?

Miles behind ?

A couple of percentage points - with endless press vilification to combat daily.

Perfectly happy, thanks Stooo - a lead can only be lost (ask Dave, who was 20 points up in 2010) and 38 - 40% is a lot better than 10%... and we are building a veritable army of volunteers for GE work, the Tories will be notable by their absence.

[Wilson]

No, for two very good reasons.

First, it is poison for the Tory party, who would be deemed responsible for the aftermath and seen as unelectable for a generation.

Second, no-one wants it, bar the Brexit 'Ultras' who are both in a minority and insane, so it will be voted down in parliament.

Treeza will resign. There will be a general election. There is every chance that Article 50 will be revoked, cancelling Brexit.

They won't call a general election willingly, knowing a REAL socialist PM will be elected. They'll fight it with everything they have with the support of 99% of the media.
The opposition need to be strong & united to force a general election. The rest of us will need to do our bit too, write to MPs get out & protest etc.

Yeah but you lot are miles behind the crappest government since Suez in the polls. Ever wonder why?

We're neck & neck in the polls and let's not forget... In 2017 we took the government's majority and had the biggest swing since the 1940s just weeks after polling 20+ points behind.

I think we'll be OK Stoo.

[LordRaven]

The trickle of businesses leaving is turning into a flood, if Article 50 is extended it just gives our financial base more time to relocate and we are already facing at least ten years to regain what we had before the referendum.

There's three choices which are also the proposed options for a Peoples Vote:

1. Chequers. No-one wants Chequers, leavers, remainers, absolutely nobody; it's shit.

2. No deal. Equally shit and instant suicide for the country. I hear all of this rhetoric about civil unrest if the quitter ref is overturned, If my son is unable to get his insulin and becomes ill then I'm not going to sit on my hands and patriotically sing Jerusalem, and nor will those affected by other medicine, food or power (Yes power, Article 50, paragraph 3) losses.

3. Remain. Things will eventually return to normal but it's going to be shit for a while, recession and probably a Greece style bail out to tide us over in the meantime; seriously, we are that fucked right now! At least medicine and food will get through.

At the end of all of this we need to talk about electoral reform, political funding and transparency. We also need to get the law involved to investigate and prosecute the traitors in Parliament, the media and big business who have kissed Putin's ring. This needs to be treated for what it is, an insult on our democracy paid for and perpetuated by gangsters.

That bad? All three scenarios?
I was thinking that matters would actually be less painful. I envisaged chaos, firms, people and money fleeing the UK, the property market and all industries that rely on a healthy property market suffering badly, mass unemployment, increased welfare bill, massive strains on the NHS as mental health problems explode resulting in civil disorder and mass rioting.
But I am still ready to be convinced otherwise if any of the Brexiteers on here can convince me sunny days are ahead - but nobody seems to be able to answer on that front.

[Stooo]

No, for two very good reasons.

First, it is poison for the Tory party, who would be deemed responsible for the aftermath and seen as unelectable for a generation.

Second, no-one wants it, bar the Brexit 'Ultras' who are both in a minority and insane, so it will be voted down in parliament.

Treeza will resign. There will be a general election. There is every chance that Article 50 will be revoked, cancelling Brexit.

They won't call a general election willingly, knowing a REAL socialist PM will be elected. They'll fight it with everything they have with the support of 99% of the media.
The opposition need to be strong & united to force a general election. The rest of us will need to do our bit too, write to MPs get out & protest etc.

Yeah but you lot are miles behind the crappest government since Suez in the polls. Ever wonder why?

Miles behind ?

A couple of percentage points - with endless press vilification to combat daily.

Perfectly happy, thanks Stooo - a lead can only be lost (ask Dave, who was 20 points up in 2010) and 38 - 40% is a lot better than 10%... and we are building a veritable army of volunteers for GE work, the Tories will be notable by their absence.

You as a party need to listen to your membership and half of the country mate, I remember how dismayed you were when Catweazle was elected. Get your priorities sorted out (duh) and give the country a real alternative to the endless crap that we are marching towards with your leader embracing chaos along with the rest of the idiots...

[Stooo]

The trickle of businesses leaving is turning into a flood, if Article 50 is extended it just gives our financial base more time to relocate and we are already facing at least ten years to regain what we had before the referendum.

There's three choices which are also the proposed options for a Peoples Vote:

1. Chequers. No-one wants Chequers, leavers, remainers, absolutely nobody; it's shit.

2. No deal. Equally shit and instant suicide for the country. I hear all of this rhetoric about civil unrest if the quitter ref is overturned, If my son is unable to get his insulin and becomes ill then I'm not going to sit on my hands and patriotically sing Jerusalem, and nor will those affected by other medicine, food or power (Yes power, Article 50, paragraph 3) losses.

3. Remain. Things will eventually return to normal but it's going to be shit for a while, recession and probably a Greece style bail out to tide us over in the meantime; seriously, we are that fucked right now! At least medicine and food will get through.

At the end of all of this we need to talk about electoral reform, political funding and transparency. We also need to get the law involved to investigate and prosecute the traitors in Parliament, the media and big business who have kissed Putin's ring. This needs to be treated for what it is, an insult on our democracy paid for and perpetuated by gangsters.

That bad? All three scenarios?
I was thinking that matters would actually be less painful. I envisaged chaos, firms, people and money fleeing the UK, the property market and all industries that rely on a healthy property market suffering badly, mass unemployment, increased welfare bill, massive strains on the NHS as mental health problems explode resulting in civil disorder and mass rioting.
But I am still ready to be convinced otherwise if any of the Brexiteers on here can convince me sunny days are ahead - but nobody seems to be able to answer on that front.

You know it, probably time to think about getting out of property.