Khashoggi: CIA 'blames Saudi prince for murder

[LordRaven]

The CIA believes that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to US media reports.

Sources close to the agency said it had assessed the evidence in detail.

It is understood there is no "smoking gun" but US officials think such an operation would need the prince's approval.

Saudi Arabia has called the claim false and insisted that the crown prince knew nothing about plans for the killing.

It says Khashoggi was killed as a result of a "rogue operation".

Meanwhile, US Vice-President Mike Pence vowed on Saturday to hold Khashoggi's killers to account.

Speaking on the sidelines of a summit in Papua New Guinea, he said the US was "determined to hold all of those accountable who are responsible for that murder"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46245167

That could cause a few problems.

[Fletch]

The CIA probably played a part in it. Khashoggi knew too much about the inner workings and corruption, like so many before him, and after no doubt, dead men tell no tales.

[LordRaven]

The CIA probably played a part in it. Khashoggi knew too much about the inner workings and corruption, like so many before him, and after no doubt, dead men tell no tales.

[Rolluplostinspace]

I'm beginning to suspect that America may well be starting the process of ditching the Saudis.

[LordRaven]

I'm beginning to suspect that America may well be starting the process of ditching the Saudis.

Energy independence is highly concerned with oil, the source of the country's principal transport fuels. In total energy consumption, the U.S. was between 86% and 91% self-sufficient in 2016.
United States energy independence - Wikipedia

It looks that way.

[wutang]

It was reported earlier this week that Trump was considering handing Gulen over to Turkey in order to get Erdogan to keep quiet about the Saudi Government

Seems that deal if off then

[Fletch]

I'm beginning to suspect that America may well be starting the process of ditching the Saudis.

I suspect it's pressure on Saudi to continue selling oil in dollars and not to get too close to Russia or China. They purchased S400 by all accounts which upset the US and have had talks about trading oil with them and others in local currency or the gold backed petro Yuan.

[Rolluplostinspace]

And the petrodollar.
When Nixon ditched the gold standard he was reneging on a promise to the whole world that the dollar would be backed by gold.
It sent shock waves around the globe that the dollar would now be backed by nothing at all.
Just a piece of paper.
That's when the petrodollar was born using oil ..... someone else's oil.
Well for a while America have their own oil and enough military in all the right places to ensure they have power over other peoples oil too.
No one can get an honest estimate of how much Saudi oil there actually is but many estimate only around ten to twenty years before it starts to taper off while oil is being found in many other places now.
Saudi Arabia's usefulness may be coming to an end.
The royals who own all the oil and the wealth number in their thousands.
I think we might well see a cull of those while the escape plans are readied to head to Texas Paris London etc and leave the people to fight and starve.
This might be the beginning of that scenario.
Everyone knew it couldn't last forever.

[Rolluplostinspace]

I'm beginning to suspect that America may well be starting the process of ditching the Saudis.

I suspect it's pressure on Saudi to continue selling oil in dollars and not to get too close to Russia or China. They purchased S400 by all accounts which upset the US and have had talks about trading oil with them and others in local currency or the gold backed petro Yuan.

That too.

[wutang]

Just wanna point out that America doesn't get its oil from the Saudis.

The Saudi's power comes from being able to control the price by either flooding the market or restricting supply.

[LordRaven]

And the petrodollar.
When Nixon ditched the gold standard he was reneging on a promise to the whole world that the dollar would be backed by gold.
It sent shock waves around the globe that the dollar would now be backed by nothing at all.
Just a piece of paper.
That's when the petrodollar was born using oil ..... someone else's oil.
Well for a while America have their own oil and enough military in all the right places to ensure they have power over other peoples oil too.
No one can get an honest estimate of how much Saudi oil there actually is but many estimate only around ten to twenty years before it starts to taper off while oil is being found in many other places now.
Saudi Arabia's usefulness may be coming to an end.
The royals who own all the oil and the wealth number in their thousands.
I think we might well see a cull of those while the escape plans are readied to head to Texas Paris London etc and leave the people to fight and starve.
This might be the beginning of that scenario.
Everyone knew it couldn't last forever.

Agreed, but they are trying a gradual process of appeasement with their own population first. If that fails they will all fly out.

[Rolluplostinspace]

Just wanna point out that America doesn't get its oil from the Saudis.

The Saudi's power comes from being able to control the price by either flooding the market or restricting supply.

The Saudis agreed to sell their oil only in dollars and plough the massive excess of dollars they would accumulate back into American banks etc.
For agreeing to this they were promised more or less unlimited arms and American protection.
Nothing to do with supplying oil to America.

[wutang]

I'm beginning to suspect that America may well be starting the process of ditching the Saudis.

I suspect it's pressure on Saudi to continue selling oil in dollars and not to get too close to Russia or China. They purchased S400 by all accounts which upset the US and have had talks about trading oil with them and others in local currency or the gold backed petro Yuan.

The Dollar represents 87% (1st) of traded foreign currency (2016). The Yuan is a mere 4% (7th) . The Ruble is 1.1% (17th).

To put in contrast both the Candanian and Aussie Dollars are more traded that the Yuan and the Mexican Peso is traded twice as much as the Ruble.

Of the top 10 currency traders 5 are American and 3 are British, the others being German and Swiss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market

[Rolluplostinspace]

A good and simple read.
History of the petrodollar and where it's now headed .................


Preparing for the Collapse of the Petrodollar System, Part 1
https://followthemoney.com/preparing-fo ... em-part-1/

[Rolluplostinspace]

I'm beginning to suspect that America may well be starting the process of ditching the Saudis.

I suspect it's pressure on Saudi to continue selling oil in dollars and not to get too close to Russia or China. They purchased S400 by all accounts which upset the US and have had talks about trading oil with them and others in local currency or the gold backed petro Yuan.

The Dollar represents 87% (1st) of traded foreign currency (2016). The Yuan is a mere 4% (7th) . The Ruble is 1.1% (17th).

To put in contrast both the Candanian and Aussie Dollars are more traded that the Yuan and the Mexican Peso is traded twice as much as the Ruble.

Of the top 10 currency traders 5 are American and 3 are British, the others being German and Swiss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market

And all that is about to changre as Russia and China have been stockpiling gold.
Their currencies will be totally backed very shortly by gold meaning ever more people will be ditching the worthless paper.