Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Stooo » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:22 pm

wutang wrote:
Stooo wrote:People haven't had concerns about the inner workings of the EU you pillock, they were sold bullshit about immigration, fish and fucking passports, most of the country knows diddly squat about the processes of the EU other than the oft hoisted petard about faceless bureaucrats that they lap up with their Sun Bingo and M&S tips in FeMail.


Ah yes, the smelly dumb proles should have listen to the smug libs instead.

You are right about immigration being a driver of racist politics but sadly you libs have been banging that drum as well. Here's the Lib Dems giving themselves a pat on the back

The Coalition Government has taken some steps intended to
address public concerns, with significant tightening of the
immigration rules
, the breakup and return of the UKBA to the
Home Office
and the introduction of the net migration target.


Well done on helping foster the 'hostile enviroment' :brickwall:


I'm sure that reads 'coalition' but hey ho...

GFC, a country at stop with no majority possible other than a joint government with the only party that had enough seats to do so with. Meanwhile BM sits fiddling in Mexico, too bloody scared of his own shadow to do what's best for the country, IE, support a Peoples Vote!
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:24 pm

Worker co operatives in large industries like car manufacture are impossible.
Who would fund such a thing?
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Cannydc » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:31 pm

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Cannydc wrote:So funny - nationalise privately owned, foreign based companies.


Nah, fuck nationalisation (thats just replacing one boss with another) I'm talking about supporting worker owned co-operatives.

Cannydc wrote:And imagine you can still build and sell their car models, designed by them, with all IPR held by them.


Build what you want, a car plant isnt restricted to building just one type of car.

Cannydc wrote:Perhaps you should ask the workers and local economies of Sunderland, Swindon, etc what they think of your grand plan.


Im from Luton dummy. I have friends and family involved in the car industry. They hate their bosses more than I do, and despite bending over backward to placate them have still been treated pretty shit and seen co-workers dumped in favour of zero-hours agency staff.

But hey they better not stand up for themselves or do anything... that would scare off the business messiahs. Isnt that right Mister Democratic Socialist :oops:


Looking forward to seeing a UK government providing the billions to start up a new car industry in the UK - because no private investor would contemplate such idiocy.

And as for building several models...... the plant would need to be the size of Luton lol. And design, test and certification bills would send investors running for the hills.

Nissan (Sunderland), Honda (Swindon) , Toyota (Derby), are all well respected employers and today they account for almost half (47.7%) of UK car production and exporting to markets worldwide. Can't speak for GM owned Vauxhall (Luton) or imagine why they would differ so much.
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Gigabit » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:38 pm

I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Wilson » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:49 pm

Gigabit wrote:I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.


& aside from all that (which is all true!) we live in a 2 party system so any vote that's not for Labour is a vote to keep this horrendously incompetent & cruel government in power.
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Stooo » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:59 pm

Gigabit wrote:I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.


Didn't the Co-op bank have that dodgy preacher as a CEO, the one who was always shitfaced on cocaine? John Lewis and the multiple taxi co-ops are better examples along with Bako. Take into account Arla and Robert Wiseman farmer co-ops, they have done little to raise the price of supply to the farmer, so not a really brilliant idea.

As for the rest of your rhetoric, stuff like that cost marginal seats and gave the tories their slim majority in the last election. Congrats...
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Stooo » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:59 pm

Wilson wrote:
Gigabit wrote:I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.


& aside from all that (which is all true!) we live in a 2 party system so any vote that's not for Labour is a vote to keep this horrendously incompetent & cruel government in power.


So get out of the two party system... :roll:
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Gigabit » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:02 pm

I absolutely agree we need PR. Best chance of that is a Labour Government, for many Labour MPs support it.
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:02 pm

Stooo wrote:
Wilson wrote:
Gigabit wrote:I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.


& aside from all that (which is all true!) we live in a 2 party system so any vote that's not for Labour is a vote to keep this horrendously incompetent & cruel government in power.


So get out of the two party system... :roll:

To much shit going down to be doing that just now.
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Gigabit » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:03 pm

Stooo wrote:
Gigabit wrote:I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.


Didn't the Co-op bank have that dodgy preacher as a CEO, the one who was always shitfaced on cocaine? John Lewis and the multiple taxi co-ops are better examples along with Bako. Take into account Arla and Robert Wiseman farmer co-ops, they have done little to raise the price of supply to the farmer, so not a really brilliant idea.

As for the rest of your rhetoric, stuff like that cost marginal seats and gave the tories their slim majority in the last election. Congrats...


What rhetoric? The Lib Dems deservedly lost most of their seats for they did precisely nothing to moderate the Tories. They betrayed a whole generation of voters by lying about tuition fees and then voting to raise - RAISE - them.

Now they are missing Brexit votes, why should anyone trust them? It makes no sense at all.
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby McAz » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:04 pm

Vote for the candidate most likely to unseat the Tory - it's that simple.
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Wilson » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:07 pm

Stooo wrote:
Wilson wrote:
Gigabit wrote:I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.


& aside from all that (which is all true!) we live in a 2 party system so any vote that's not for Labour is a vote to keep this horrendously incompetent & cruel government in power.


So get out of the two party system... :roll:


I'd be happy to but it's not up to me. We have to work with the system we have and right now it's a 2 party system.
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Stooo » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:11 pm

McAz wrote:Vote for the candidate most likely to unseat the Tory - it's that simple.


Yep, get the tory out was the way that the LDs and Greens went last time, strategic voting but it all went to shit when Labour kept slagging us off at every possible turn. It handed marginal seats to the tories, clever fucking idea that from a party run by a bloke who was voted in by kippers at three quid a pop; just for a giggle...
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Stooo » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:12 pm

Wilson wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Wilson wrote:
Gigabit wrote:I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.


& aside from all that (which is all true!) we live in a 2 party system so any vote that's not for Labour is a vote to keep this horrendously incompetent & cruel government in power.


So get out of the two party system... :roll:


I'd be happy to but it's not up to me. We have to work with the system we have and right now it's a 2 party system.


No, you have do do things to change the bloody system!
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Re: Corbyn for PM - more than ever

Postby Wilson » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:17 pm

Stooo wrote:
Wilson wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Wilson wrote:
Gigabit wrote:I do think we should encourage more co-operatives in the economy. I particularly like the Co-Op and Nationwide, they seem to do well and do ethical banking.

It seems to me any normal person - and I'm rich - would have no issues under a Corbyn Government, I think those thinking it will be some massive revolution are going to be very disappointed. It seems those who are against it are those who would lose out, i.e. those having to pay more taxes (goodness, sorry for those FTSE bosses being against Corbyn because they'll be making a bit less money).

I am an EU supporter in the sense Brexit will always be a Tory project and that will be worse for us all - I will never be on the same side as Jacob Rees Mogg. But I also think Leave would win again because little has been done to heal the divide, which is exactly what a Labour Government would do.

I don't trust the Lib Dems to stop Brexit and neither does anyone else. They lied about tuition fees and then became Tories in the coalition and laughed about cutting benefits. Then they missed crucial Brexit votes and then just recently one of their MPs has said they will vote for May's deal.

So really, the best thing to do is to vote Labour.


& aside from all that (which is all true!) we live in a 2 party system so any vote that's not for Labour is a vote to keep this horrendously incompetent & cruel government in power.


So get out of the two party system... :roll:


I'd be happy to but it's not up to me. We have to work with the system we have and right now it's a 2 party system.


No, you have do do things to change the bloody system!


You over estimate the authority I have over such things. :ooer:
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