'No Smocking Gun'

'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:03 am

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/10/poli ... index.html

President Donald Trump has expressed concern that he could be impeached when Democrats take over the House, a source close to the President told CNN Monday. The source said Trump sees impeachment as a "real possibility."

But Trump isn't certain it will happen, the source added.

A separate source close to the White House told CNN that aides inside the West Wing believe "the only issue that may stick" in the impeachment process is the campaign finance violations tied to former Trump attorney Michael Cohen's payouts to Trump's alleged mistresses.

Impeachment talk has heated up in recent days following a blockbuster filing from prosecutors in the Southern District of New York. In that filing, prosecutors directly alleged for the first time that Cohen was being directed by Trump when he broke the law during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Democrats are suggesting Trump committed an impeachable offense and could be sent to prison when his term in the White House is over. The incoming chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Jerry Nadler, said Sunday the allegations, if proven, would constitute "impeachable offenses." Democratic Sen. Chris Coons said Monday Trump could be indicted after he leaves office.

Cohen first made the allegation in court in September that he was directed by Trump to make the payments to the two women, Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. Prosecutors endorsed the allegation in a sentencing document for Cohen on Friday, in which they said Cohen should receive a "substantial sentence" for the crimes he committed, which included campaign finance violations for the payments to the two women, tax fraud and lying to Congress.

White House officials, at the moment, still don't believe special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion will result in impeachment. Officials are also comforted by their belief that the campaign finance issue is not seen as enough to galvanize bipartisan support for impeachment.

Another separate source said Trump remains confident at this point that, while he could be impeached in the House, he doesn't believe he would be convicted in the Senate as the GOP remains in control there.

The campaign finance issue tied to the alleged mistresses is not viewed as having the firepower to trigger a bipartisan vote for conviction and removal in the Senate, the source said.

These beliefs about the politics at play in impeachment proceedings are based on what White House officials believe Mueller has on Trump right now. It's still unclear exactly where else the special counsel's probe could go.
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby LordRaven » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:48 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/10/politics/trump-impeachment-concern/index.html

President Donald Trump has expressed concern that he could be impeached when Democrats take over the House, a source close to the President told CNN Monday. The source said Trump sees impeachment as a "real possibility."

But Trump isn't certain it will happen, the source added.

A separate source close to the White House told CNN that aides inside the West Wing believe "the only issue that may stick" in the impeachment process is the campaign finance violations tied to former Trump attorney Michael Cohen's payouts to Trump's alleged mistresses.

Impeachment talk has heated up in recent days following a blockbuster filing from prosecutors in the Southern District of New York. In that filing, prosecutors directly alleged for the first time that Cohen was being directed by Trump when he broke the law during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Democrats are suggesting Trump committed an impeachable offense and could be sent to prison when his term in the White House is over. The incoming chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Jerry Nadler, said Sunday the allegations, if proven, would constitute "impeachable offenses." Democratic Sen. Chris Coons said Monday Trump could be indicted after he leaves office.

Cohen first made the allegation in court in September that he was directed by Trump to make the payments to the two women, Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. Prosecutors endorsed the allegation in a sentencing document for Cohen on Friday, in which they said Cohen should receive a "substantial sentence" for the crimes he committed, which included campaign finance violations for the payments to the two women, tax fraud and lying to Congress.

White House officials, at the moment, still don't believe special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion will result in impeachment. Officials are also comforted by their belief that the campaign finance issue is not seen as enough to galvanize bipartisan support for impeachment.

Another separate source said Trump remains confident at this point that, while he could be impeached in the House, he doesn't believe he would be convicted in the Senate as the GOP remains in control there.

The campaign finance issue tied to the alleged mistresses is not viewed as having the firepower to trigger a bipartisan vote for conviction and removal in the Senate, the source said.

These beliefs about the politics at play in impeachment proceedings are based on what White House officials believe Mueller has on Trump right now. It's still unclear exactly where else the special counsel's probe could go.


He will probably just sack anyone and everyone involved :mrgreen:
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Fletch » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:17 pm

Clinton News Network? Jeez... :thud:
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby LordRaven » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:21 pm

Fletch wrote:Clinton News Network? Jeez... :thud:


Here Felch, read this and go and have a wank...

Cohen bombshell sparks fresh calls for Trump impeachment – but what happened to Russia collusion?
https://www.retarded.com/usa/436565-trump-imp ... -manafort/
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Fletch » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:28 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:Clinton News Network? Jeez... :thud:


Here Felch, read this and go and have a wank...

Cohen bombshell sparks fresh calls for Trump impeachment – but what happened to Russia collusion?
https://www.retarded.com/usa/436565-tru ... -manafort/


There's a lot of talk, there always is. Lots of threats and even accusations but so far, nothing has stood up in court or brought about impeachment.

Well, that's what some people tell me about Hilary, why is Trump treated any different?

Note for the hard of thinking:

Evidence exists of the powers that be not investigating Hilary, giving many around her immunity and even appearing to protect her and her cabal with raids on whistleblowers and refusing to unredact or even release information to congressional committees.
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby LordRaven » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:23 pm

Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:Clinton News Network? Jeez... :thud:


Here Felch, read this and go and have a wank...

Cohen bombshell sparks fresh calls for Trump impeachment – but what happened to Russia collusion?
https://www.retarded.com/usa/436565-tru ... -manafort/


There's a lot of talk, there always is. Lots of threats and even accusations but so far, nothing has stood up in court or brought about impeachment.

Well, that's what some people tell me about Hilary, why is Trump treated any different?

Note for the hard of thinking:

Evidence exists of the powers that be not investigating Hilary, giving many around her immunity and even appearing to protect her and her cabal with raids on whistleblowers and refusing to unredact or even release information to congressional committees.


Felch can you please stop quoting The Beano, this is a serious section :smilin:
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Fletch » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:37 pm

LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:Clinton News Network? Jeez... :thud:


Here Felch, read this and go and have a wank...

Cohen bombshell sparks fresh calls for Trump impeachment – but what happened to Russia collusion?
https://www.retarded.com/usa/436565-tru ... -manafort/


There's a lot of talk, there always is. Lots of threats and even accusations but so far, nothing has stood up in court or brought about impeachment.

Well, that's what some people tell me about Hilary, why is Trump treated any different?

Note for the hard of thinking:

Evidence exists of the powers that be not investigating Hilary, giving many around her immunity and even appearing to protect her and her cabal with raids on whistleblowers and refusing to unredact or even release information to congressional committees.


Felch can you please stop quoting The Beano, this is a serious section :smilin:


I haven't quoted anything Raven. :scratch:
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby LordRaven » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:40 pm

Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
Fletch wrote:Clinton News Network? Jeez... :thud:


Here Felch, read this and go and have a wank...

Cohen bombshell sparks fresh calls for Trump impeachment – but what happened to Russia collusion?
https://www.retarded.com/usa/436565-tru ... -manafort/


There's a lot of talk, there always is. Lots of threats and even accusations but so far, nothing has stood up in court or brought about impeachment.

Well, that's what some people tell me about Hilary, why is Trump treated any different?

Note for the hard of thinking:

Evidence exists of the powers that be not investigating Hilary, giving many around her immunity and even appearing to protect her and her cabal with raids on whistleblowers and refusing to unredact or even release information to congressional committees.


Felch can you please stop quoting The Beano, this is a serious section :smilin:


I haven't quoted anything Raven. :scratch:

Well as you keep saying you don't get your news from the msm then I am surmising it is from kids comics
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Grafenwalder » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:12 pm

Regarding impeachment it's worth looking back to Watergate which took two years and two months before Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment and one month later, Ford pardoned him.

The same will probably happen with Trump eventually.
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Cannydc » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:18 pm

So, neither of these statements are true ?

Five people linked to the president have pleaded guilty to federal charges as investigators probe whether Mr Trump’s campaign coordinated with the Kremlin in the 2016 election campaign.

Prosecutors in New York have also for the first time linked the president to a federal crime, accusing him of orchestrating hush-money payments by his long-time lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen, to a porn star and a former Playboy model.

The net tightens, Kremlin collusion looks nailed on. Impeachment looms.
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Maddog » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:02 pm

Cannydc wrote:So, neither of these statements are true ?

Five people linked to the president have pleaded guilty to federal charges as investigators probe whether Mr Trump’s campaign coordinated with the Kremlin in the 2016 election campaign.

Prosecutors in New York have also for the first time linked the president to a federal crime, accusing him of orchestrating hush-money payments by his long-time lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen, to a porn star and a former Playboy model.

The net tightens, Kremlin collusion looks nailed on. Impeachment looms.



Impeachment is very likely considering the make up of the House. Remember, Clinton was impeached for his crimes too. The Senate however chose not to remove him from office. If nothing else is found, Trump will be penalized about like John Edwards was, when he did the same thing during one of his campaigns. He will get a fine.

The precedent has been set. We are not going to remove presidents or incarcerate politicians who allow others to spend their own money to silence bimbos.
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Stooo » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:12 pm

Grafenwalder wrote:Regarding impeachment it's worth looking back to Watergate which took two years and two months before Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment and one month later, Ford pardoned him.

The same will probably happen with Trump eventually.


Pence is complicit and will probably be charged as well, Pelosi is next in line and she may pardon Individual-1 because of politics but Pence may well spend some time looking at close walls and doors made of bars...
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Cannydc » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:12 pm

Maddog wrote:
Cannydc wrote:So, neither of these statements are true ?

Five people linked to the president have pleaded guilty to federal charges as investigators probe whether Mr Trump’s campaign coordinated with the Kremlin in the 2016 election campaign.

Prosecutors in New York have also for the first time linked the president to a federal crime, accusing him of orchestrating hush-money payments by his long-time lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen, to a porn star and a former Playboy model.

The net tightens, Kremlin collusion looks nailed on. Impeachment looms.



Impeachment is very likely considering the make up of the House. Remember, Clinton was impeached for his crimes too. The Senate however chose not to remove him from office. If nothing else is found, Trump will be penalized about like John Edwards was, when he did the same thing during one of his campaigns. He will get a fine.

The precedent has been set. We are not going to remove presidents or incarcerate politicians who allow others to spend their own money to silence bimbos.


And if Trump is directly implicated, then proven complicit in underhand Kremlin deals regarding his election ?

I have personal qualms about some of his quotes and actions regarding Russian activities since he became POTUS. Almost like he owes them...
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Maddog » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:28 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Cannydc wrote:So, neither of these statements are true ?

Five people linked to the president have pleaded guilty to federal charges as investigators probe whether Mr Trump’s campaign coordinated with the Kremlin in the 2016 election campaign.

Prosecutors in New York have also for the first time linked the president to a federal crime, accusing him of orchestrating hush-money payments by his long-time lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen, to a porn star and a former Playboy model.

The net tightens, Kremlin collusion looks nailed on. Impeachment looms.



Impeachment is very likely considering the make up of the House. Remember, Clinton was impeached for his crimes too. The Senate however chose not to remove him from office. If nothing else is found, Trump will be penalized about like John Edwards was, when he did the same thing during one of his campaigns. He will get a fine.

The precedent has been set. We are not going to remove presidents or incarcerate politicians who allow others to spend their own money to silence bimbos.


And if Trump is directly implicated, then proven complicit in underhand Kremlin deals regarding his election ?

I have personal qualms about some of his quotes and actions regarding Russian activities since he became POTUS. Almost like he owes them...



The Kremlin dealings are a bigger problem no doubt. It's all going to boil down to how illegal anything he did was. It's not like we don't have current and former politicians that have broke the law, with little or no reprecussions.
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Re: 'No Smocking Gun'

Postby Fletch » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:35 pm

What were/are "the Kremlin dealings"?

The hotel idea? He's got a few of them already, why would a Russian one matter? :dunno:
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