Lord of the Flies?

[Maddog]

COPENHAGEN — Denmark plans to house the country’s most unwelcome foreigners in a most unwelcoming place: a tiny, hard-to-reach island that now holds the laboratories, stables and crematory of a center for researching contagious animal diseases.

As if to make the message clearer, one of the two ferries that serve the island is called the Virus.

“They are unwanted in Denmark, and they will feel that,” the immigration minister, Inger Stojberg, wrote on Facebook.

On Friday, the center-right government and the right-wing Danish People’s Party announced an agreement to house as many as 100 people on Lindholm Island — foreigners who have been convicted of crimes but who cannot be returned to their home countries. Many would be rejected asylum seekers


The 17-acre island, in an inlet of the Baltic Sea, lies about two miles from the nearest shore, and ferry service is infrequent. Foreigners will be required to report at the island center daily, and face imprisonment if they do not.

“We’re going to minimize the number of ferry departures as much as at all possible,” Martin Henriksen, a spokesman for the Danish People’s Party on immigration, told TV 2. “We’re going to make it as cumbersome and expensive as possible.”

The deal allocates about $115 million over four years for immigrant facilities on the island, which are scheduled to open in 2021.

The finance minister, Kristian Jensen, who led the negotiations, said the island was not a prison, but added that anyone placed there would have to sleep there.





https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/worl ... sland.html

[McAz]

Didn't know Trump was visiting Denmark.

[Cactus Jack]

Didn't know Trump was visiting Denmark.

It's about this

[Maddog]

Didn't know Trump was visiting Denmark.

It may work out. Australia seems to be doing OK.

[Cannydc]

Didn't know Trump was visiting Denmark.

It may work out. Australia seems to be doing OK.

These are convicted criminals. The people seeking refuge in Australia aren't.

We also send convicted criminals back to country of origin, if origin can be proven and their lives will not be endangered there. Before they are chucked out they are kept at a detention centre, Yarls Wood, which is essentially a prison. It might as well be on an island.

[Maddog]

Didn't know Trump was visiting Denmark.

It may work out. Australia seems to be doing OK.

These are convicted criminals. The people seeking refuge in Australia aren't.

We also send convicted criminals back to country of origin, if origin can be proven and their lives will not be endangered there. Before they are chucked out they are kept at a detention centre, Yarls Wood, which is essentially a prison. It might as well be on an island.

I was tongue and cheek referring to Australia's history as a penal colony.

[Fletch]

Had to read Lord of the Flies for my O level English. Good book.

Don't agree with this though, just barbaric from a civilised country.

[Fletch]

Didn't know Trump was visiting Denmark.

It may work out. Australia seems to be doing OK.

These are convicted criminals. The people seeking refuge in Australia aren't.

We also send convicted criminals back to country of origin, if origin can be proven and their lives will not be endangered there. Before they are chucked out they are kept at a detention centre, Yarls Wood, which is essentially a prison. It might as well be on an island.

Is Yards Wood a place "that now holds the laboratories, stables and crematory of a center for researching contagious animal diseases."?

[Cannydc]

Didn't know Trump was visiting Denmark.

It may work out. Australia seems to be doing OK.

These are convicted criminals. The people seeking refuge in Australia aren't.

We also send convicted criminals back to country of origin, if origin can be proven and their lives will not be endangered there. Before they are chucked out they are kept at a detention centre, Yarls Wood, which is essentially a prison. It might as well be on an island.

I was tongue and cheek referring to Australia's history as a penal colony.

I see, aplogies. It appeared to me to be a comment on Australia's almost uniquely cruel policy of keeping asylum seekers on Nauru and Manus Island...

[MungoBrush]

Didn't know Trump was visiting Denmark.

It may work out. Australia seems to be doing OK.

These are convicted criminals. The people seeking refuge in Australia aren't.

We also send convicted criminals back to country of origin, if origin can be proven and their lives will not be endangered there. Before they are chucked out they are kept at a detention centre, Yarls Wood, which is essentially a prison. It might as well be on an island.

I was tongue and cheek referring to Australia's history as a penal colony.

I see, aplogies. It appeared to me to be a comment on Australia's almost uniquely cruel policy of keeping asylum seekers on Nauru and Manus Island...

Why is it more cruel to house illegal migrants in a camp off-shore rather than on-shore?

[Cannydc]

Not aware that anyone was referring to illegal immigrants.

Assuming you are replying to my post, the people kept incarcerated on Nuaru seek asylum, and have not been convicted of any crime.

[MungoBrush]

Not aware that anyone was referring to illegal immigrants.

Assuming you are replying to my post, the people kept incarcerated on Nuaru seek asylum, and have not been convicted of any crime.

The objective of paying those governments to setup and maintain those off-shore camps was to kill off the illegal human trafficking trade
It has been very successful and is being held up as a model.

My question was however, how is an off-shore migrant camp crueller than an on-shore camp?
A question which of course you avoided - as usual.

[Cactus Jack]

Not aware that anyone was referring to illegal immigrants.

Assuming you are replying to my post, the people kept incarcerated on Nuaru seek asylum, and have not been convicted of any crime.

The objective of paying those governments to setup and maintain those off-shore camps was to kill off the illegal human trafficking trade
It has been very successful and is being held up as a model.

My question was however, how is an off-shore migrant camp crueller than an on-shore camp?
A question which of course you avoided - as usual.

An example of what - Victim blaming and cruelty?

[MungoBrush]

An example of what - Victim blaming and cruelty?

I already answered that - but I will repeat it:

A sucessful example of how to shut down illegal people smuggling traders.

[Cannydc]

An example of what - Victim blaming and cruelty?

I already answered that - but I will repeat it:

A sucessful example of how to shut down illegal people smuggling traders.

Your language belies your agenda.

You - migrant camp

Reality - refugee camp

You - illegal migrants

Reality (until proven different) - innocent men, women and children seeking sanctuary from oppression.

Of course, stopping the scum who trade in their vulnerability is important - but so is the safety of those fleeing.