Wilson wrote:Heartbreaking. Some things should NEVER come with a price tag.
The UK seems to be trying to emulate this cruel nonsense. I hope your country is waking up Maddog.
Maddog wrote:Wilson wrote:Heartbreaking. Some things should NEVER come with a price tag.
The UK seems to be trying to emulate this cruel nonsense. I hope your country is waking up Maddog.
I don't thinks it's money. Because people abuse these drugs and kill themselves, the governmnet is trying to wean people who need it, off the medication. It doesn't matter what the cost of the drug is.
Maddog wrote:Wilson wrote:Heartbreaking. Some things should NEVER come with a price tag.
The UK seems to be trying to emulate this cruel nonsense. I hope your country is waking up Maddog.
I don't thinks it's money. Because people abuse these drugs and kill themselves, the governmnet is trying to wean people who need it, off the medication. It doesn't matter what the cost of the drug is.
Wilson wrote:Maddog wrote:Wilson wrote:Heartbreaking. Some things should NEVER come with a price tag.
The UK seems to be trying to emulate this cruel nonsense. I hope your country is waking up Maddog.
I don't thinks it's money. Because people abuse these drugs and kill themselves, the governmnet is trying to wean people who need it, off the medication. It doesn't matter what the cost of the drug is.
Of course it's about money. It's also about an ideology that relies on the majority of Americans believing that not having a National Health Service is for your own good.
Maddog wrote:Wilson wrote:Maddog wrote:Wilson wrote:Heartbreaking. Some things should NEVER come with a price tag.
The UK seems to be trying to emulate this cruel nonsense. I hope your country is waking up Maddog.
I don't thinks it's money. Because people abuse these drugs and kill themselves, the governmnet is trying to wean people who need it, off the medication. It doesn't matter what the cost of the drug is.
Of course it's about money. It's also about an ideology that relies on the majority of Americans believing that not having a National Health Service is for your own good.
Go back and read the article without an agenda. This is the CDC recommending these cut backs.
Rolluplostinspace wrote:I've been on prescription opiates for God knows how long now.
I'm guessing about four years give or take a year either way.
I haven't had to face going without in that time but I'm ready to bring myself off.
Because I'm on time release tabs I can't break one in half and cut down that way so .... I have a stash of dihydroCodeine.
I'll use them to ease the pain of withdrawal.
This what I'm on ..... http://www.awmsg.org/awmsgonline/app/appraisalinfo/651
Cactus Jack wrote:Maddog wrote:Wilson wrote:Maddog wrote:Wilson wrote:Heartbreaking. Some things should NEVER come with a price tag.
The UK seems to be trying to emulate this cruel nonsense. I hope your country is waking up Maddog.
I don't thinks it's money. Because people abuse these drugs and kill themselves, the governmnet is trying to wean people who need it, off the medication. It doesn't matter what the cost of the drug is.
Of course it's about money. It's also about an ideology that relies on the majority of Americans believing that not having a National Health Service is for your own good.
Go back and read the article without an agenda. This is the CDC recommending these cut backs.
Try taking your own advice.
Having had a back issue for years I know that opiates are the 'profitable' option for healthcare and prevention and rehabilitation are long term losers for them. Painkillers don't address the underlying issues and more and stronger painkillers are only a road to perdition. Fortunately being under a socialised medical care system whose interest are my health not their profits I was given physiotherapy and advised on adjustments to lifestyle include my career that mean my chronic back pain is now mostly manageable with over the counter medications (and trust me over the counter medications in the UK are massively less potent in the UK than in the US)
Had a situation where I was not only allowed but encouraged to become addicted to opiates arisen and were I then told that my opiates were going to be withdrawn I would be in a much worse position. Once again because you don't understand the nuances behind what you post you end up proving the exact opposite of what you want to say.
This is not a new experience for you I know
calitom wrote:Rolluplostinspace wrote:I've been on prescription opiates for God knows how long now.
I'm guessing about four years give or take a year either way.
I haven't had to face going without in that time but I'm ready to bring myself off.
Because I'm on time release tabs I can't break one in half and cut down that way so .... I have a stash of dihydroCodeine.
I'll use them to ease the pain of withdrawal.
This what I'm on ..... http://www.awmsg.org/awmsgonline/app/appraisalinfo/651
Best of luck on that jack. Hopefully you can find a replacement that will work properly for you. Any ideas from anyone on replacements.?
calitom wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Maddog wrote:Wilson wrote:Maddog wrote:I don't thinks it's money. Because people abuse these drugs and kill themselves, the governmnet is trying to wean people who need it, off the medication. It doesn't matter what the cost of the drug is.
Of course it's about money. It's also about an ideology that relies on the majority of Americans believing that not having a National Health Service is for your own good.
Go back and read the article without an agenda. This is the CDC recommending these cut backs.
Try taking your own advice.
Having had a back issue for years I know that opiates are the 'profitable' option for healthcare and prevention and rehabilitation are long term losers for them. Painkillers don't address the underlying issues and more and stronger painkillers are only a road to perdition. Fortunately being under a socialised medical care system whose interest are my health not their profits I was given physiotherapy and advised on adjustments to lifestyle include my career that mean my chronic back pain is now mostly manageable with over the counter medications (and trust me over the counter medications in the UK are massively less potent in the UK than in the US)
Had a situation where I was not only allowed but encouraged to become addicted to opiates arisen and were I then told that my opiates were going to be withdrawn I would be in a much worse position. Once again because you don't understand the nuances behind what you post you end up proving the exact opposite of what you want to say.
This is not a new experience for you I know
oh stop with that holier than thou silliness. you think 'socialized health care ' is more caring than other systems?? keep living your fantasy. We HAVE socialized medicine in the usa--its called medicare..or veterans administration..or Medicaid. Not impressive and not more compassionate.
If you want to think with emotion and fantasy then go on believing that socialized medicine is more compassionate. Some docs and hospitals are more compassionate--depending on the damn docs and hospitals. The USA has been leaning toward the socialistic system for decades now with HMOs like Kaiser. Trust me Kaiser is not more compassionate than other hospital chains.And Medicare certainly is not more compassionate.-And Obamacare--the first step toward single payer---is a cruel dumbass piece of shit which was actually created to fail.The damn designer of it--one of the prinicipals--even admitted it on TAPE!!!!!! He was expressing happiness that the US public was dumb enough to believe that Obamacare was gonna be financially viable. Yea ask people who have Obamacare. The only ones with a good deal are those with zero money. The working poor and middle class get screwed. I happen to be in the system.My patients have come in with their obamacare with big premiums and massive deductibles. In other words Obamacare for most people is horrible--Like having no insurance.-And they stole from medicaid to make it look like it was financially viable.
The old insurance companies were and are big monsters..but they run/ran efficiently and gave the public excellent care.-They are also scumbags who do have to be watched.
Thats why both repubes and dims want to assure those with pre-existing conditions that they get covered.
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