Bringing troops home from Syria

Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Maddog » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:35 pm

Bringing troops home from Syria angers conservative and liberal leaders.

Policing the world's politics and bombing brown people is one of the few things that mainstream Republicans and Democrats can come together on, and now here's Trump, the big meanie, spoiling their fun! Quick, cue rampant paranoia and a lot of Henny-Penny huffing...

But Trump isn't backing down in the face of criticism from his usual allies as well as Democrats. This morning, he tweeted that it was Russia, Iran, and Syria's job to take care of ISIS now.

A predictable chorus of hawkish Republicans assailed Trump for making, in the words of perpetually bloodthirsty Sen. Lindsey Graham (R­–S.C.), a "huge Obama-like mistake." (Barack Obama made many mistakes; one of the costliest, of course, was his disastrous intervention in Libya, which quickly became a haven for terrorists.) Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) lamented that pulling out too early would "haunt this administration and America for years to come." But as Iraq and Afghanistan have shown, America is also haunted by doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on open-ended commitments that cost innocent lives and billions of dollars while doing nothing to fundamentally improve the war-torn Middle East.

The mainstream liberal response to Trump's Syria announcement was so overwhelmingly negative that it suggests any anti-war wing of the Democratic Party is clearly dead. This shift was of course already underway during the Obama years, when policies that would have provoked outrage under President George W. Bush drew soft sighs at best.

Now, it seems abundantly clear that a lot of the left's anti-war momentum under Bush was actually just rooted in anti-Bush or anti-Republican sentiment. And with a Republican president that is ever-so-slightly opposed to endless war, Democrats are emboldened to openly embrace their own ignorant, authoritarian, world-policing ways in full form. (A pox on all their goddamn glass houses.)

Among the few members of Congress to comment positively about the president's decision was Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, who declared he was "proud of the president today to hear that he is declaring victory in Syria."



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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Lady Murasaki » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:38 pm

He said from the beginning he wanted the troops outta there so it’s not really a big surprise.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Maddog » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:55 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:He said from the beginning he wanted the troops outta there so it’s not really a big surprise.


And certain republicans and democrats bitching about it is no surprise.

Of course if Obama was doing this, they would switch positions.

There's only a handful of congressmen that can be counted on not to be flip flopping hypocrites.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Cactus Jack » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:57 pm

He is doing what Putin told him to, acting in Russia's best interests
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Lady Murasaki » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:58 pm

Maddog wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:He said from the beginning he wanted the troops outta there so it’s not really a big surprise.


And certain republicans and democrats bitching about it is no surprise.

Of course if Obama was doing this, they would switch positions.

There's only a handful of congressmen that can be counted on not to be flip flopping hypocrites.


Lol, did no one bitch while Obama was president? Were you asleep during those 8 years?
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:59 pm

This is already being discussed in the Middle East thread but I'll answer again .......

Don’t Hold Your Breath on US Troop Withdrawal from Syria

The announcement on Wednesday that the U.S. will withdraw all remaining troops from Syria within the next month looked at first like a rare victory for Donald Trump in his admittedly erratic opposition to senseless wars of adventure. “We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there,” the president tweeted with an unmistakable air of triumph.

Don’t get your hopes up. Just about everything in these initial reports is either wrong or misleading. One, the U.S. did not defeat the Islamic State: The Syrian Arab Army, aided by Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah militias did. Two, hardly was ISIS the only reason the U.S. has maintained a presence in Syria. The intent for years was to support a coup against the Assad government in Damascus—in part by training and equipping jihadists often allied with ISIS. For at least the past six months, the U.S. military’s intent in Syria has been to counter Iranian influence.

As Trump finishes his second year in office, the pattern is plain: This president can have all the foreign policy ideas he wants, but the Pentagon, State, the intelligence apparatus, and the rest of what some call “the deep state” will either reverse, delay, or never implement any policy not to its liking.

Blocking Few Good Ideas

Syria is a case in point, but one among many. Trump announced in March that he woul>>>>>>>>>>> https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/19/d ... rom-syria/
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Lady Murasaki » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:01 pm

Are you for or against Trumps position on this rolly?
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:02 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:Are you for or against Trumps position on this rolly?

I think his statement is bullshit and part of an agenda.
From the link >> By the official count, there are 503 U.S. troops stationed in the Islamic State’s former capital. Unofficially, according to The Washington Post and other press reports, the figure is closer to 4,000—twice the number that is supposed to represent a “full withdrawal” from Syrian soil.
It would also be nice to think the president and commander-in-chief has the final say in his administration’s policies overseas, given the constitution by which we are supposed to be governed. But the misleading announcement on the withdrawal of troops, followed by Trump’s boastful tweet, suggest something close to exactly the opposite.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby calitom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:05 pm

Maddog wrote:Bringing troops home from Syria angers conservative and liberal leaders.

Policing the world's politics and bombing brown people is one of the few things that mainstream Republicans and Democrats can come together on, and now here's Trump, the big meanie, spoiling their fun! Quick, cue rampant paranoia and a lot of Henny-Penny huffing...

But Trump isn't backing down in the face of criticism from his usual allies as well as Democrats. This morning, he tweeted that it was Russia, Iran, and Syria's job to take care of ISIS now.

A predictable chorus of hawkish Republicans assailed Trump for making, in the words of perpetually bloodthirsty Sen. Lindsey Graham (R­–S.C.), a "huge Obama-like mistake." (Barack Obama made many mistakes; one of the costliest, of course, was his disastrous intervention in Libya, which quickly became a haven for terrorists.) Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) lamented that pulling out too early would "haunt this administration and America for years to come." But as Iraq and Afghanistan have shown, America is also haunted by doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on open-ended commitments that cost innocent lives and billions of dollars while doing nothing to fundamentally improve the war-torn Middle East.

The mainstream liberal response to Trump's Syria announcement was so overwhelmingly negative that it suggests any anti-war wing of the Democratic Party is clearly dead. This shift was of course already underway during the Obama years, when policies that would have provoked outrage under President George W. Bush drew soft sighs at best.

Now, it seems abundantly clear that a lot of the left's anti-war momentum under Bush was actually just rooted in anti-Bush or anti-Republican sentiment. And with a Republican president that is ever-so-slightly opposed to endless war, Democrats are emboldened to openly embrace their own ignorant, authoritarian, world-policing ways in full form. (A pox on all their goddamn glass houses.)

Among the few members of Congress to comment positively about the president's decision was Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, who declared he was "proud of the president today to hear that he is declaring victory in Syria."



https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/20/trum ... withdrawal


Thank God we are finally getting out. This puts a crimp in the NWO/DEEP STATEs plans
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:06 pm

calitom wrote:
Maddog wrote:Bringing troops home from Syria angers conservative and liberal leaders.

Policing the world's politics and bombing brown people is one of the few things that mainstream Republicans and Democrats can come together on, and now here's Trump, the big meanie, spoiling their fun! Quick, cue rampant paranoia and a lot of Henny-Penny huffing...

But Trump isn't backing down in the face of criticism from his usual allies as well as Democrats. This morning, he tweeted that it was Russia, Iran, and Syria's job to take care of ISIS now.

A predictable chorus of hawkish Republicans assailed Trump for making, in the words of perpetually bloodthirsty Sen. Lindsey Graham (R­–S.C.), a "huge Obama-like mistake." (Barack Obama made many mistakes; one of the costliest, of course, was his disastrous intervention in Libya, which quickly became a haven for terrorists.) Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) lamented that pulling out too early would "haunt this administration and America for years to come." But as Iraq and Afghanistan have shown, America is also haunted by doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on open-ended commitments that cost innocent lives and billions of dollars while doing nothing to fundamentally improve the war-torn Middle East.

The mainstream liberal response to Trump's Syria announcement was so overwhelmingly negative that it suggests any anti-war wing of the Democratic Party is clearly dead. This shift was of course already underway during the Obama years, when policies that would have provoked outrage under President George W. Bush drew soft sighs at best.

Now, it seems abundantly clear that a lot of the left's anti-war momentum under Bush was actually just rooted in anti-Bush or anti-Republican sentiment. And with a Republican president that is ever-so-slightly opposed to endless war, Democrats are emboldened to openly embrace their own ignorant, authoritarian, world-policing ways in full form. (A pox on all their goddamn glass houses.)

Among the few members of Congress to comment positively about the president's decision was Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, who declared he was "proud of the president today to hear that he is declaring victory in Syria."



https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/20/trum ... withdrawal


Thank God we are finally getting out. This puts a crimp in the NWO/DEEP STATEs plans

You're not getting out it's bullshit and your president doesn't have that kind of power.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby calitom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:07 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Are you for or against Trumps position on this rolly?

I think his statement is bullshit and part of an agenda.
From the link >> By the official count, there are 503 U.S. troops stationed in the Islamic State’s former capital. Unofficially, according to The Washington Post and other press reports, the figure is closer to 4,000—twice the number that is supposed to represent a “full withdrawal” from Syrian soil.
It would also be nice to think the president and commander-in-chief has the final say in his administration’s policies overseas, given the constitution by which we are supposed to be governed. But the misleading announcement on the withdrawal of troops, followed by Trump’s boastful tweet, suggest something close to exactly the opposite.

dont be an arse. what the hell is wrong with you?? the guy does something good and what you support but you have to bash him. Thats Trump derangement syndrome. I thought you were better than that
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Maddog » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:08 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:He said from the beginning he wanted the troops outta there so it’s not really a big surprise.


And certain republicans and democrats bitching about it is no surprise.

Of course if Obama was doing this, they would switch positions.

There's only a handful of congressmen that can be counted on not to be flip flopping hypocrites.


Lol, did no one bitch while Obama was president? Were you asleep during those 8 years?


Yes, but the bitchers flip flop. I don't have a problem with bitching, but flip flopping.

It's why I rarely vote for any one in either major party anymore.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:09 pm

calitom wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Are you for or against Trumps position on this rolly?

I think his statement is bullshit and part of an agenda.
From the link >> By the official count, there are 503 U.S. troops stationed in the Islamic State’s former capital. Unofficially, according to The Washington Post and other press reports, the figure is closer to 4,000—twice the number that is supposed to represent a “full withdrawal” from Syrian soil.
It would also be nice to think the president and commander-in-chief has the final say in his administration’s policies overseas, given the constitution by which we are supposed to be governed. But the misleading announcement on the withdrawal of troops, followed by Trump’s boastful tweet, suggest something close to exactly the opposite.

dont be an arse. what the hell is wrong with you?? the guy does something good and what you support but you have to bash him. Thats Trump derangement syndrome. I thought you were better than that

You haven't read the link I provided.
He can't do such a thing against the wishes of the Pentagon and that deep state you often talk about.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Maddog » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:10 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Are you for or against Trumps position on this rolly?

I think his statement is bullshit and part of an agenda.
From the link >> By the official count, there are 503 U.S. troops stationed in the Islamic State’s former capital. Unofficially, according to The Washington Post and other press reports, the figure is closer to 4,000—twice the number that is supposed to represent a “full withdrawal” from Syrian soil.
It would also be nice to think the president and commander-in-chief has the final say in his administration’s policies overseas, given the constitution by which we are supposed to be governed. But the misleading announcement on the withdrawal of troops, followed by Trump’s boastful tweet, suggest something close to exactly the opposite.



The constitution limits the war powers of the president. Not that any of them care anymore.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:11 pm

Maddog wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Are you for or against Trumps position on this rolly?

I think his statement is bullshit and part of an agenda.
From the link >> By the official count, there are 503 U.S. troops stationed in the Islamic State’s former capital. Unofficially, according to The Washington Post and other press reports, the figure is closer to 4,000—twice the number that is supposed to represent a “full withdrawal” from Syrian soil.
It would also be nice to think the president and commander-in-chief has the final say in his administration’s policies overseas, given the constitution by which we are supposed to be governed. But the misleading announcement on the withdrawal of troops, followed by Trump’s boastful tweet, suggest something close to exactly the opposite.



The constitution limits the war powers of the president. Not that any of them care anymore.

So does the money power and Israel.
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