Bringing troops home from Syria

Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:20 pm

Cannydc wrote:Paul Craig Roberts

Thought to myself "This stuff doesn't quite pass my usual test for avoidance of tinfoil hat, deep state, NWO paranoia journalism - check him out"

He was a member of the US-USSR student exchange program in 1961, and addressed the Soviet Academy of Sciences in 1989 and 1990. His first book, Alienation and the Soviet Economy, was published in 1971.

Books / articles include; How the American Neoconservatives Destroyed Mankind’s Hopes for Peace, President Killary: Would the World Survive President Hillary?, and Russia’s Military Aims Achieved, Putin Switches to Diplomacy as well as Neocons' Aggression Towards Sovereign States Destroying Earth.... uhh-oooh

Then a quick look at the post above.

Putin and Trump want the breakup of the EU - check.

This bloke is Tom isn't he ?? I bet he thinks that Norway are glad to be free of the EU too...



Paul Craig Roberts.

Paul Craig Roberts
United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy
President Ronald Reagan
Personal details
Born April 3, 1939 (age 79)
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Nationality American
Political party Independent (formerly Republican)[1][2]
Alma mater Georgia Institute of Technology
(BA Economics)
University of Virginia
(PhD Economics) University of Oxford
(Fellow in Economics)
Occupation Economist
Awards Legion Honneur Chevalier ribbon.svg Legion of Honour
Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist, columnist, blogger, and former civil servant.[3]

He was the United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under President Reagan in 1981.[4]



From 1975 to 1978, Roberts served on the congressional staff. As economic counsel to Congressman Jack Kemp,[5] he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill (which became the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981). He served as economic counsel to Senator Orrin Hatch,[6] The Wall Street Journal editor Robert L. Bartley offered him an editorial slot. He wrote for the WSJ until 1980.[7] He was a senior fellow in political economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, then part of Georgetown University.[5]

From early 1981 to January 1982, Roberts served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy.

After his time in government he turned to journalism, holding positions of editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal, columnist for Business Week, the Scripps Howard News Service as well as contributing editor to Harper's Magazine.

Roberts was professor of business administration and professor of economics at George Mason University and was the inaugural William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy at Georgetown University, serving for 12 years.

From 1993 to 1996, he was a distinguished fellow at the Cato Institute. He also was a senior research fellow at the Hoover Institution.[8][9]

He was awarded the US Treasury's Meritorious Service Award for "outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy".[13]

In 1987 the French Government awarded him the Legion of Honour for his services to econcomics.[14]

In 2015, the Mexican Press Club honored Roberts with its International Award For Excellence In Journalism.[15]

During his time in the Reagan administration, Roberts became known as Washington DC's "most zealous" proponent of supply-side economics, and his concern about U.S. budget deficits led him into conflict with other Reagan-era officials such as Martin Feldstein and David Stockman.[16] He is a critic of the Federal Reserve System and central banking in general.[17] He has also promoted conspiracy theories that the 9/11 attacks and the Charlie Hebdo attack were false flag operations.[18][19] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

In his time working for Reagan he was distinguished with the accolade of being the founder of Reaganomics.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:23 pm

Roberts scores huge points in the credibility department having been the former head of policy at the Department of Treasury under Reagan, and an editor of the Wall Street Journal — among a long list of other accolades. His research is impeccable and his vision of how the world really operates is second to none. He knows why and when the global chess pieces are moving, and has the incredible talent to communicate difficult concepts to the general public.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Cannydc » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:01 pm

"Roberts scores huge points in the credibility department"

Can't be Tom then.

Just sounds like him and rants on about the EU, Neocons, the NWO and Hillary (Killary - lol, good one) while being a fan of Trump and Putin.

Credible in some people's eyes, I guess. Just not mine.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:07 am

Cannydc wrote:"Roberts scores huge points in the credibility department"

Can't be Tom then.

Just sounds like him and rants on about the EU, Neocons, the NWO and Hillary (Killary - lol, good one) while being a fan of Trump and Putin.

Credible in some people's eyes, I guess. Just not mine.



I think he's the chief foreign correspondent for Infowars. :smilin:
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:04 am

"Occupying a country on the other side of the globe and staying there forever is an American pastime," said a CNN host. "For Trump to pull out when we haven't even been there a decade yet is a disgusting display of his selfishness and unwillingness to conform to the standards of presidential decorum."

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-criti ... gn=dwbrand

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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Fletch » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:13 pm

RESOLUTION CALLING TO DECLARE WAR WITH RUSSIA IS INTRODUCED IN UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT

A draft resolution calling for the declaration of war with Russia was introduced to the Ukrainian Parliament on December 21.

The full title of the document is “Draft Resolution on the appeal of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine [Parliament] to the President of Ukraine regarding the declaration of war, the breakdown of diplomatic relations and the cessation of transport links with the Russian Federation”.

The document was introduced by a member of parliament Kupriy Nikolaevich.

It’s unclear when the Ukrainian Parliament is going to vote on the proposed declaration of war.

https://southfront.org/ukrainian-mps-in ... th-russia/

Ukraine has been trying to up the ante for a while now. Renewed fighting, provoking Russia with the ship stunt, UK sending recon vessel to the area and US calling for freedom to do what they want (of navigation) in the area. Troops might well find themselves in and around Ukraine rather than sitting at home.

Why Trump’s Peace Signal in Syria Could See US Clash With Russia in Ukraine

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50812.htm
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Stooo » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:25 pm

Fletch wrote:RESOLUTION CALLING TO DECLARE WAR WITH RUSSIA IS INTRODUCED IN UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT

A draft resolution calling for the declaration of war with Russia was introduced to the Ukrainian Parliament on December 21.

The full title of the document is “Draft Resolution on the appeal of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine [Parliament] to the President of Ukraine regarding the declaration of war, the breakdown of diplomatic relations and the cessation of transport links with the Russian Federation”.

The document was introduced by a member of parliament Kupriy Nikolaevich.

It’s unclear when the Ukrainian Parliament is going to vote on the proposed declaration of war.

https://southfront.org/ukrainian-mps-in ... th-russia/

Ukraine has been trying to up the ante for a while now. Renewed fighting, provoking Russia with the ship stunt, UK sending recon vessel to the area and US calling for freedom to do what they want (of navigation) in the area. Troops might well find themselves in and around Ukraine rather than sitting at home.

Why Trump’s Peace Signal in Syria Could See US Clash With Russia in Ukraine

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50812.htm


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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:31 pm

Fletch wrote:RESOLUTION CALLING TO DECLARE WAR WITH RUSSIA IS INTRODUCED IN UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT

A draft resolution calling for the declaration of war with Russia was introduced to the Ukrainian Parliament on December 21.

The full title of the document is “Draft Resolution on the appeal of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine [Parliament] to the President of Ukraine regarding the declaration of war, the breakdown of diplomatic relations and the cessation of transport links with the Russian Federation”.

The document was introduced by a member of parliament Kupriy Nikolaevich.

It’s unclear when the Ukrainian Parliament is going to vote on the proposed declaration of war.

https://southfront.org/ukrainian-mps-in ... th-russia/

Ukraine has been trying to up the ante for a while now. Renewed fighting, provoking Russia with the ship stunt, UK sending recon vessel to the area and US calling for freedom to do what they want (of navigation) in the area. Troops might well find themselves in and around Ukraine rather than sitting at home.

Why Trump’s Peace Signal in Syria Could See US Clash With Russia in Ukraine

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50812.htm



Trump has been pretty adamant about this. We ain't playing policeman under his watch. If you got problems with what's happening in the Ukraine, the French and Germans can sort it out.

I have lots of problems with Trump, but his foreign policy is really growing on me.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:36 pm

Maddog wrote:Bringing troops home from Syria angers conservative and liberal leaders.

Policing the world's politics and bombing brown people is one of the few things that mainstream Republicans and Democrats can come together on, and now here's Trump, the big meanie, spoiling their fun! Quick, cue rampant paranoia and a lot of Henny-Penny huffing...

But Trump isn't backing down in the face of criticism from his usual allies as well as Democrats. This morning, he tweeted that it was Russia, Iran, and Syria's job to take care of ISIS now.

A predictable chorus of hawkish Republicans assailed Trump for making, in the words of perpetually bloodthirsty Sen. Lindsey Graham (R­–S.C.), a "huge Obama-like mistake." (Barack Obama made many mistakes; one of the costliest, of course, was his disastrous intervention in Libya, which quickly became a haven for terrorists.) Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) lamented that pulling out too early would "haunt this administration and America for years to come." But as Iraq and Afghanistan have shown, America is also haunted by doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on open-ended commitments that cost innocent lives and billions of dollars while doing nothing to fundamentally improve the war-torn Middle East.

The mainstream liberal response to Trump's Syria announcement was so overwhelmingly negative that it suggests any anti-war wing of the Democratic Party is clearly dead. This shift was of course already underway during the Obama years, when policies that would have provoked outrage under President George W. Bush drew soft sighs at best.

Now, it seems abundantly clear that a lot of the left's anti-war momentum under Bush was actually just rooted in anti-Bush or anti-Republican sentiment. And with a Republican president that is ever-so-slightly opposed to endless war, Democrats are emboldened to openly embrace their own ignorant, authoritarian, world-policing ways in full form. (A pox on all their goddamn glass houses.)

Among the few members of Congress to comment positively about the president's decision was Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, who declared he was "proud of the president today to hear that he is declaring victory in Syria."



https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/20/trum ... withdrawal


victory? the u.s. only deployed troops during this current administration!
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Maddog » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:40 pm

art0hur0moh wrote:
Maddog wrote:Bringing troops home from Syria angers conservative and liberal leaders.

Policing the world's politics and bombing brown people is one of the few things that mainstream Republicans and Democrats can come together on, and now here's Trump, the big meanie, spoiling their fun! Quick, cue rampant paranoia and a lot of Henny-Penny huffing...

But Trump isn't backing down in the face of criticism from his usual allies as well as Democrats. This morning, he tweeted that it was Russia, Iran, and Syria's job to take care of ISIS now.

A predictable chorus of hawkish Republicans assailed Trump for making, in the words of perpetually bloodthirsty Sen. Lindsey Graham (R­–S.C.), a "huge Obama-like mistake." (Barack Obama made many mistakes; one of the costliest, of course, was his disastrous intervention in Libya, which quickly became a haven for terrorists.) Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) lamented that pulling out too early would "haunt this administration and America for years to come." But as Iraq and Afghanistan have shown, America is also haunted by doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on open-ended commitments that cost innocent lives and billions of dollars while doing nothing to fundamentally improve the war-torn Middle East.

The mainstream liberal response to Trump's Syria announcement was so overwhelmingly negative that it suggests any anti-war wing of the Democratic Party is clearly dead. This shift was of course already underway during the Obama years, when policies that would have provoked outrage under President George W. Bush drew soft sighs at best.

Now, it seems abundantly clear that a lot of the left's anti-war momentum under Bush was actually just rooted in anti-Bush or anti-Republican sentiment. And with a Republican president that is ever-so-slightly opposed to endless war, Democrats are emboldened to openly embrace their own ignorant, authoritarian, world-policing ways in full form. (A pox on all their goddamn glass houses.)

Among the few members of Congress to comment positively about the president's decision was Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, who declared he was "proud of the president today to hear that he is declaring victory in Syria."



https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/20/trum ... withdrawal


victory? the u.s. only deployed troops during this current administration!



President Obama says he is expanding the U.S. military presence in Syria in order to keep up the "momentum" in the campaign against ISIS.

"I've decided to increase U.S. support for local forces fighting ISIL in Syria," the president said today in a speech in Hanover, Germany, using an alternate acronym for the Islamic State. "They’re not going to be leading the fight on the ground, but they will be essential in providing the training and assisting local forces that continue to drive ISIL back."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/preside ... d=38645872
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:59 pm

here, how is it the immigrant crisis in the middle east demanded the coalition bomb indiscriminately. but a wall built on the mexican boarder will deal with immigrants from latin america.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:03 pm

so the russian backed terrorists
beat the american backed terrorists
in syria
break up the eu
and the same shit is on our doorstep in 20 years time...
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:05 pm

Maddog wrote:
art0hur0moh wrote:
Maddog wrote:Bringing troops home from Syria angers conservative and liberal leaders.

Policing the world's politics and bombing brown people is one of the few things that mainstream Republicans and Democrats can come together on, and now here's Trump, the big meanie, spoiling their fun! Quick, cue rampant paranoia and a lot of Henny-Penny huffing...

But Trump isn't backing down in the face of criticism from his usual allies as well as Democrats. This morning, he tweeted that it was Russia, Iran, and Syria's job to take care of ISIS now.

A predictable chorus of hawkish Republicans assailed Trump for making, in the words of perpetually bloodthirsty Sen. Lindsey Graham (R­–S.C.), a "huge Obama-like mistake." (Barack Obama made many mistakes; one of the costliest, of course, was his disastrous intervention in Libya, which quickly became a haven for terrorists.) Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) lamented that pulling out too early would "haunt this administration and America for years to come." But as Iraq and Afghanistan have shown, America is also haunted by doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on open-ended commitments that cost innocent lives and billions of dollars while doing nothing to fundamentally improve the war-torn Middle East.

The mainstream liberal response to Trump's Syria announcement was so overwhelmingly negative that it suggests any anti-war wing of the Democratic Party is clearly dead. This shift was of course already underway during the Obama years, when policies that would have provoked outrage under President George W. Bush drew soft sighs at best.

Now, it seems abundantly clear that a lot of the left's anti-war momentum under Bush was actually just rooted in anti-Bush or anti-Republican sentiment. And with a Republican president that is ever-so-slightly opposed to endless war, Democrats are emboldened to openly embrace their own ignorant, authoritarian, world-policing ways in full form. (A pox on all their goddamn glass houses.)

Among the few members of Congress to comment positively about the president's decision was Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, who declared he was "proud of the president today to hear that he is declaring victory in Syria."



https://reason.com/blog/2018/12/20/trum ... withdrawal


victory? the u.s. only deployed troops during this current administration!



President Obama says he is expanding the U.S. military presence in Syria in order to keep up the "momentum" in the campaign against ISIS.

"I've decided to increase U.S. support for local forces fighting ISIL in Syria," the president said today in a speech in Hanover, Germany, using an alternate acronym for the Islamic State. "They’re not going to be leading the fight on the ground, but they will be essential in providing the training and assisting local forces that continue to drive ISIL back."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/preside ... d=38645872

yeh, millions spent on training 4 fsa troops. the rest joined jabut al nusra, or provided them with weapons and supplies. at the same time, coalition air forces invaded syrian airspace way beyond the boundaries of international law. that is till russia decided to suport the 5th best military in the World.
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:08 pm

Big Fat Frosty wrote:so the russian backed terrorists
beat the american backed terrorists
in syria
break up the eu
and the same shit is on our doorstep in 20 years time...
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no that happened in afghanistan! russia supported an officially recognized military against foreign invaders. syrians have never identified the terrorists as isis! that is not their name! isis is an international declaration of war against the People of syria!
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Re: Bringing troops home from Syria

Postby art0hur0moh » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:17 pm

Stooo wrote:
Fletch wrote:RESOLUTION CALLING TO DECLARE WAR WITH RUSSIA IS INTRODUCED IN UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT

A draft resolution calling for the declaration of war with Russia was introduced to the Ukrainian Parliament on December 21.

The full title of the document is “Draft Resolution on the appeal of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine [Parliament] to the President of Ukraine regarding the declaration of war, the breakdown of diplomatic relations and the cessation of transport links with the Russian Federation”.

The document was introduced by a member of parliament Kupriy Nikolaevich.

It’s unclear when the Ukrainian Parliament is going to vote on the proposed declaration of war.

https://southfront.org/ukrainian-mps-in ... th-russia/

Ukraine has been trying to up the ante for a while now. Renewed fighting, provoking Russia with the ship stunt, UK sending recon vessel to the area and US calling for freedom to do what they want (of navigation) in the area. Troops might well find themselves in and around Ukraine rather than sitting at home.

Why Trump’s Peace Signal in Syria Could See US Clash With Russia in Ukraine

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50812.htm


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europe needs to reign in their terrorists! took thirty years for them to deal with Sadam. though they did support iraq against iran till that conflict was ended.
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