Coup in Venezuela

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby wutang » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:29 pm

Seems the UK Labour party is involved with the same group - Socialist International - as the Venezuelan opposition party

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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby LordRaven » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:30 pm

wutang wrote:Seems the UK Labour party is involved with the same group - Socialist International - as the Venezuelan opposition party




But Corbyn supports Maduro
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby wutang » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:33 pm

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You are talking of Srebinica I believe, that was a terrible mistake by one UN Commander who was more concerned by the safety of his own troops and in doing so allowed Ratko Mladic Scorpions in to perpetrate a genocide -- a stain on the UN for sure.


Rwanda as well

Then there is the vile shit UN troops themselves get up to

UN peacekeepers in Haiti implicated in child sex ring

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 81966.html
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby wutang » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:36 pm

LordRaven wrote:But Corbyn supports Maduro



http://www.socialistinternational.org/v ... PageID=931


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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby LordRaven » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:46 pm

wutang wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
You are talking of Srebinica I believe, that was a terrible mistake by one UN Commander who was more concerned by the safety of his own troops and in doing so allowed Ratko Mladic Scorpions in to perpetrate a genocide -- a stain on the UN for sure.


Rwanda as well

Then there is the vile shit UN troops themselves get up to

UN peacekeepers in Haiti implicated in child sex ring

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 81966.html


So? You always get bad peas in a pod but what was the final outcome for Haiti? Worse off or better off?
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby LordRaven » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:48 pm

wutang wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
You are talking of Srebinica I believe, that was a terrible mistake by one UN Commander who was more concerned by the safety of his own troops and in doing so allowed Ratko Mladic Scorpions in to perpetrate a genocide -- a stain on the UN for sure.


Rwanda as well

Then there is the vile shit UN troops themselves get up to

UN peacekeepers in Haiti implicated in child sex ring

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 81966.html


Ah Rwanda Burundi and Congo, again I have to ask what would have happened with no UN involvement?
You seem to think tribalism could have sorted the problem and that is just so wrong.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Ray of Sunshine » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:12 pm

Poor Corbyn must be crying into his cornflakes.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Ray of Sunshine » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:18 pm

wutang wrote:
LordRaven wrote:
p.s. UN Mandated Troops do not INVADE, they go in with an agreed mandate between UN and the Country involved.


The UN troops have a history of standing back and letting death squads commit genocide... expecting them to intervene while the right wing paramilitaries go murder crazy is ludicrous


The right-wing groups are actually fighting against the FARC and ELN Communist guerillas who are no better than they are.

FARC sometimes threatened or assassinated indigenous Colombian leaders for attempting to prevent FARC incursions into their territory and resisting the forcible recruitment by FARC of indigenous youth. Between 1986 and 2001, FARC was responsible for 27 assassinations, 15 threats, and 14 other abuses of indigenous people in Antioquia Department.[91] In March 1999 members of a local FARC contingent killed 3 indigenous rights activists, who were working with the U'Wa people to build a school for U'Wa children, and were fighting against encroachment of U'Wa territory by multinational oil corporations. The killings were almost universally condemned, and seriously harmed public perceptions of FARC.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutio ... ous_people
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Ray of Sunshine » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:28 pm

I think Venezuela is just a tiny bit worse.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby wutang » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:09 am

Ray of Sunshine wrote:The right-wing groups are actually fighting against the FARC and ELN Communist guerillas who are no better than they are.


Those guerillas are groups defending their lands and communities whereas the death squads are acting on behalf of the rich and international corporations - which is why they murder human rights activists and union leaders.

Also why American fruit companies have to pay large fines for funding these terrorists

Chiquita admits to paying Colombia terrorists

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17615143/ns/b ... E0s41z7SUk


Chiquita Brands faces new death squad charges in Colombia

https://www.apnews.com/8e01b036fd2b487d96ad79d65d442dad


In fact the death squads were first started in the 60's by an AMERICAN General precisely for this function:

an instrument to advance U.S. economic interests by violently destroying progressive social movements. The idea was that because the paramilitaries are not official military forces, the U.S. and its allies would have plausible deniability for their conduct.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/en ... 942833784d


Paramilitary groups in Colombia are typically linked to powerful oligarchs within Colombia as well as multinational companies seeking to secure economic interests in resource-rich Colombian land. Many of these armed right-wing civilian groups also stocked their arsenals thanks to Plan Colombia, a 1999 counterinsurgency initiative that saw the U.S. pour billions of dollars into the country for the purpose of further militarizing the region. The year 2016 witnessed the blossoming of such far-right paramilitary and narco-paramilitary groups, who extended their regional presence and visibility.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby wutang » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:18 am

Funny how since FARC signed the peace deal and disbanded the killing of enviromental, social and workers rights activists has increased

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-39717336

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... inal-gangs
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Ray of Sunshine » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:24 am

Nope, just because they're left-wing doesn't mean they're saintly, that's the problem with a lot of you left-wing types, you'll support any bloodthirsty tyrant or murderous guerillas as long as they wave a red flag.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Puzzler » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:52 pm

Ray of Sunshine wrote:Nope, just because they're left-wing doesn't mean they're saintly, that's the problem with a lot of you left-wing types, you'll support any bloodthirsty tyrant or murderous guerillas as long as they wave a red flag.

Pablo Escobar supported FARC. Nuff said.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Fletch » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:36 pm

Fletch wrote:More of your western msm propaganda which doesn't mention anything about the years of financial attacks on Venezuela or the fact Pence gave the signal for regime change. Now Trump recognising the loser as President and your onside with that? You're a fucking moron Raven.


Pence Pledged U.S. Backing Before Venezuela Opposition Leader’s Move

The night before Juan Guaidó declared himself interim president of Venezuela, the opposition leader received a phone call from Vice President Mike Pence.

Mr. Pence pledged that the U.S. would back Mr. Guaidó if he seized the reins of government from Nicolás Maduro by invoking a clause in the South American country’s constitution, a senior administration official said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-call-fro ... 1548430259

Just to back up what I said the other day. This is the exact replicas of Ukraine with the EU vassal states doing as they are told yet again.
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