Coup in Venezuela

Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby wutang » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:42 pm

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Best to have a functioning government and economy to ward off this nonsense.


The problem is that as you have admitted Americas only concern is there being a Government that does what it wants then having a functioning government is no protection - see: Iran who are also being sanctioned and having its money stolen from them despite having a functioning government

And as America only cares about whats best for its geopolitical aims often the Government they pick isnt whats best for the people in that country (see: basically all of Latin America & the Middle east over the last 150 years).
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby wutang » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:46 pm

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Oh, and not shit systems dont collapse. Crazy eh? I can predict with near certainty that Norway won't collapse anytime soon. I must be a clairvoyant.




It that because they are joined to the hip of the EU? they pay for the priviledge of having the EU tell them what to do.

Are you suggesting this is a system to emulate? the Brexit crowd wouldn't be happy with that :ooer:


I would emulate Switzerland. I would avoid emulating Eastern Europe when attached to the Soviets hip's. Dont want to be the next Poland brought down 30 years ago by the CIA. :paranoid:


Switzerland is the same - they have to pay the EU and the EU tell them what rules they have to enforce. Also shares an open border with it which is more than the Uk ever did as part of the union
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby wutang » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:50 pm

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Best to have a functioning government and economy to ward off this nonsense.


The irony being America didnt have a functioning government less than a week ago
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Maddog » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:25 pm

wutang wrote:
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Best to have a functioning government and economy to ward off this nonsense.


The problem is that as you have admitted Americas only concern is there being a Government that does what it wants then having a functioning government is no protection - see: Iran who are also being sanctioned and having its money stolen from them despite having a functioning government

And as America only cares about whats best for its geopolitical aims often the Government they pick isnt whats best for the people in that country (see: basically all of Latin America & the Middle east over the last 150 years).

That's not what I admitted. Once you have destroyed a country enough with poor government and a poor economy then US and a few other countries will try to help those that want to build a friendly regime. See Eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet union.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Maddog » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:26 pm

wutang wrote:
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Best to have a functioning government and economy to ward off this nonsense.


The irony being America didnt have a functioning government less than a week ago



Actually, it did. That's the real irony.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:57 am

PARIS (Reuters)

France's Macron hails bravery of Venezuelans marching for freedom

French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday saluted the courage of Venezuelans marching for freedom but stopped short of backing the country’s opposition leader Juan Guaido who declared himself interim president.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venez ... PI17F?il=0
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Maddog » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:07 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:PARIS (Reuters)

France's Macron hails bravery of Venezuelans marching for freedom

French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday saluted the courage of Venezuelans marching for freedom but stopped short of backing the country’s opposition leader Juan Guaido who declared himself interim president.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venez ... PI17F?il=0



In France they are protesting higher gas taxes.

In Venezuela, things are a bit more urgent. I don't think any Parisians have raided the zoo for a meal.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Maddog » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:11 am

VILLA DEL ROSARIO, Colombia—Thousands of people stand idly about, families sitting near heaps of luggage. Groups cram into every bit of available shade, eager to ignore the shouts of salesmen hawking potatoes or medication. Nearby, bus companies promote “no passport” travel inland.

This is what a migration crisis looks like. For more than two years, a steady stream of people—many toting little more than ragged backpacks and bags—have crossed into this Colombian town and others like it, escaping their crumbling homeland, Venezuela, which has been weathering an economic collapse and, more recently, a political crisis.

Thus far, Colombia has opened its doors as millions of people have flocked to its border. Politicians here know there is no way to keep these migrants out, so instead of railing against its neighbor or raising the drawbridge, they have focused on integrating those who arrive, efforts that have been commended by aid agencies. But with almost 1.5 million Venezuelans here, equivalent to about 3 percent of Colombia’s population, and more arriving every day, the country may soon be entirely overwhelmed.

Just 10 years ago, Colombians looked up to their neighbors to the east. Not only were Venezuelans the wealthiest people on the continent, but the country had the most equal income distribution, as well as a fiercely patriotic and charismatic leader and ample energy reserves. Colombians listened with bewilderment and awe as Hugo Chávez, the self-proclaimed revolutionary president of Venezuela, moved the masses and called for a proud pan-Latino identity. Millions even fled Colombia for Venezuela, mostly rural poor displaced by their country’s decades-long civil war. No one imagined then that the two countries’ relationship would change so dramatically.

When Chávez died, in 2013, his successor, Nicolás Maduro, inherited a country in decline. The economy was cratering, and inflation was accelerating. Maduro, blaming a Colombian conspiracy for the economic problems, expelled thousands of Colombians living in a frontier area and shut the border.


When it finally reopened, the flow of people began going in the opposite direction. Tens of thousands of Venezuelans poured into Colombia on the first Sunday the border was open, in July 2016. Initially, many simply bought medicine and food and returned home to Venezuela, though some stayed. As the situation worsened in Venezuela, that shift became more permanent: At least 65,000 Venezuelans moved into Colombia in the first 90 days after the reopening; a year later, that figure had risen to 470,000; and in November 2018, it surpassed 1 million. An estimated 150,000 people have migrated to or through Colombia from Venezuela each month for the past year. That’s about as much as one of the infamous “migrant caravans” that capture attention in the United States per day, every day.


https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... do/581647/


France is fairly good breeze. Venezuela is a Cat 5 hurricane.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Fletch » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:02 am

Venezuela plot thickens… UN should be probing Washington and allies for regime-change crimes

So, the Western powers are setting up a parallel government in Venezuela by cobbling together a minority, US-funded opposition. Even though President Maduro is the elected leader and his government is the competent representative at the UN, the process is underway to subvert the sovereignty of the country.

The Western-backed opposition over the weekend has begun appealing to the country’s armed forces to abandon the president and his government. It’s hard to imagine how such openly foreign-sponsored treason would be tolerated for a second by the US or its allies.

What’s more, John Bolton, the US national security advisor, and regime-change maestro, has warned that if the Venezuelan armed forces use violence against the opposition then there will be a “significant response”.

Again, this is the same formula as was applied in Ukraine, Libya, Syria and elsewhere. Not only are the political institutions subverted by external forces, but then when the authorities try to move to defend the nation they have their hands tied behind their backs through slanderous blackmail.

If the UN Security Council actually functioned as it’s supposed to, it should be investigating the regime-change machinations of the US and its allies, with a view to prosecute for criminal aggression.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50989.htm
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Fletch » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:03 am

Maddog wrote:
wutang wrote:
Maddog wrote:It appears the US invented the coup and has used it to overthrow good government throughout the planet. Its shitty government like Norway and Switzerland that the US doesn't mess with.


The CIA was heavily involved in instigating the 2002 coup and only an idiot would think they arent operating in Venezuela right now.

There is a difference between general opposition to Maduro and "the coup". The latter refers to a specific group trying to set themselves up as the new regime and America wants this for the reasons John Bolton outlined....

OIL

The fact is this group isnt even that popular amongst the opposition but hey... America doesnt actually give a shit about the people of Venezuala and what they want, its about what American capitalists wants.



Venezuela has a shit system. Shit systems end up collapsing. Been happening since day one. People that support the shit systems always find someone else to blame.


What is shit about their system then Mads?
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Maddog » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:56 am

Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
wutang wrote:
Maddog wrote:It appears the US invented the coup and has used it to overthrow good government throughout the planet. Its shitty government like Norway and Switzerland that the US doesn't mess with.


The CIA was heavily involved in instigating the 2002 coup and only an idiot would think they arent operating in Venezuela right now.

There is a difference between general opposition to Maduro and "the coup". The latter refers to a specific group trying to set themselves up as the new regime and America wants this for the reasons John Bolton outlined....

OIL

The fact is this group isnt even that popular amongst the opposition but hey... America doesnt actually give a shit about the people of Venezuala and what they want, its about what American capitalists wants.



Venezuela has a shit system. Shit systems end up collapsing. Been happening since day one. People that support the shit systems always find someone else to blame.


What is shit about their system then Mads?


Ask the million who have left.

Stop being obtuse. When a system sucks, people leave.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Fletch » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:20 pm

Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
wutang wrote:
Maddog wrote:It appears the US invented the coup and has used it to overthrow good government throughout the planet. Its shitty government like Norway and Switzerland that the US doesn't mess with.


The CIA was heavily involved in instigating the 2002 coup and only an idiot would think they arent operating in Venezuela right now.

There is a difference between general opposition to Maduro and "the coup". The latter refers to a specific group trying to set themselves up as the new regime and America wants this for the reasons John Bolton outlined....

OIL

The fact is this group isnt even that popular amongst the opposition but hey... America doesnt actually give a shit about the people of Venezuala and what they want, its about what American capitalists wants.



Venezuela has a shit system. Shit systems end up collapsing. Been happening since day one. People that support the shit systems always find someone else to blame.


What is shit about their system then Mads?


Ask the million who have left.

Stop being obtuse. When a system sucks, people leave.


I'm asking you as it was you who proclaimed the system is shit. What part is shit or how is it shit?

US regime change always results in people fleeing the chaos caused, whatever country they do it in.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Maddog » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:23 pm

I proclaim any systems shit, when a species flees it towards another.

It's why things migrate. The desire to deal with less shit. It's not complicated when you remove your bias.
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Fletch » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:42 pm

Maddog wrote:I proclaim any systems shit, when a species flees it towards another.

It's why things migrate. The desire to deal with less shit. It's not complicated when you remove your bias.


But how is it shit? What aspect is shit? :dunno:
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Re: Coup in Venezuela

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:04 pm

Maddog wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:PARIS (Reuters)

France's Macron hails bravery of Venezuelans marching for freedom

French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday saluted the courage of Venezuelans marching for freedom but stopped short of backing the country’s opposition leader Juan Guaido who declared himself interim president.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venez ... PI17F?il=0



In France they are protesting higher gas taxes.


That's the extent of what you're being told in Texas?
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