Scumbag california government weasels..

Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Maddog » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:29 pm

Fletch wrote:
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Fletch wrote:The US Senate Just Quietly Advanced A Free Speech Busting Anti-BDS Bill

Under the guise of preventing “anti-Semitism,” this anti-BDS bill represents a fraught, Orwellian overreach by Congress into the private lives of all Americans and their right to make politically-motivated decisions.

WASHINGTON — In an evening vote that garnered essentially no national media coverage, the U.S. Senate voted last night to advance the “Strengthening America’s Security in the Middle East Act of 2019” – sometimes called the “anti-BDS bill” for its component that would allow state and local governments to punish companies or individuals who support the non-violent Boycott, Divest, Sanctions movement aimed at promoting Palestinian rights and ending Israeli apartheid and military occupation of the West Bank. The bill was, notably, numbered S.1 — the Senate’s first legislative act of its 2019-20 session.

Numerous rights groups, politicians and civil rights advocates have accused this measure of violating freedom of speech and setting a dangerous precedent for the private political activism of American citizens, all on behalf of a foreign country.

The bill was adopted by the Senate in a vote of 74 in favor to 19 against, with seven abstentions. The bill had previously been blocked by Senate Democrats by a 56-44 vote as part of their objection to acting on legislation during the government shutdown. However, many of those Democratic senators who had previously blocked the bill ultimately voted in support of the measure. In order to become law, the measure would still need to pass the Democrat-run House of Representatives. However, given the amount of support for the measure among Democrats and the power of the Israel lobby, the bill stands a considerable chance of passing the House.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-senat ... ll/254408/

Land of the free...



What does this have to do with this story?


Government infringing the rights of individuals...or ignoring their rights completely. Take your pick. :NAA:



Americans dont have a right to contract with government.

Local government makes people jump through all sorts of hoops to be a contractor for them.

I can assure you that if the Westboro Baptist church wanted to provide daycare services for the Westboro school district, they would be denied that contract based on there stances.

I think most people would be ok with that.
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Fletch » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:44 pm

Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:The US Senate Just Quietly Advanced A Free Speech Busting Anti-BDS Bill

Under the guise of preventing “anti-Semitism,” this anti-BDS bill represents a fraught, Orwellian overreach by Congress into the private lives of all Americans and their right to make politically-motivated decisions.

WASHINGTON — In an evening vote that garnered essentially no national media coverage, the U.S. Senate voted last night to advance the “Strengthening America’s Security in the Middle East Act of 2019” – sometimes called the “anti-BDS bill” for its component that would allow state and local governments to punish companies or individuals who support the non-violent Boycott, Divest, Sanctions movement aimed at promoting Palestinian rights and ending Israeli apartheid and military occupation of the West Bank. The bill was, notably, numbered S.1 — the Senate’s first legislative act of its 2019-20 session.

Numerous rights groups, politicians and civil rights advocates have accused this measure of violating freedom of speech and setting a dangerous precedent for the private political activism of American citizens, all on behalf of a foreign country.

The bill was adopted by the Senate in a vote of 74 in favor to 19 against, with seven abstentions. The bill had previously been blocked by Senate Democrats by a 56-44 vote as part of their objection to acting on legislation during the government shutdown. However, many of those Democratic senators who had previously blocked the bill ultimately voted in support of the measure. In order to become law, the measure would still need to pass the Democrat-run House of Representatives. However, given the amount of support for the measure among Democrats and the power of the Israel lobby, the bill stands a considerable chance of passing the House.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-senat ... ll/254408/

Land of the free...



What does this have to do with this story?


Government infringing the rights of individuals...or ignoring their rights completely. Take your pick. :NAA:



Americans dont have a right to contract with government.

Local government makes people jump through all sorts of hoops to be a contractor for them.

I can assure you that if the Westboro Baptist church wanted to provide daycare services for the Westboro school district, they would be denied that contract based on there stances.

I think most people would be ok with that.


But it's not what they do or how they perform that is the issue, it's what they say or think. Isn't that 1st amendment right in the 'land of the free'?
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:01 pm

Land of the free :pmsl: so long as they keep getting told they are free while saluting the flag then they'll not notice that they are probably the least free people in the western world.
Is it law yet that you must salute the flag .... can't be far off?
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby calitom » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:08 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Land of the free :pmsl: so long as they keep getting told they are free while saluting the flag then they'll not notice that they are probably the least free people in the western world.
Is it law yet that you must salute the flag .... can't be far off?


well we are getting less free.. but at least we are fighting it.
Dont wait til they force you to open your home to the new immigrants Jack.Dont get too comfy.
Things happen quickly.
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:15 pm

calitom wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Land of the free :pmsl: so long as they keep getting told they are free while saluting the flag then they'll not notice that they are probably the least free people in the western world.
Is it law yet that you must salute the flag .... can't be far off?


well we are getting less free.. but at least we are fighting it.
Dont wait til they force you to open your home to the new immigrants Jack.Dont get too comfy.
Things happen quickly.

We're pretty fucked in this country Tom but it has nothing to do with immigrants.
You lot can't even see you're fucked and about to get fucked ever more.
You're nation is becoming a bigger bureaucracy than the EU!
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Rocthedog » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:12 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:Land of the free :pmsl: so long as they keep getting told they are free while saluting the flag then they'll not notice that they are probably the least free people in the western world.
Is it law yet that you must salute the flag .... can't be far off?


This land grab (I will call it that) is not new, ask the Indian tribes. I have a question, how many law enforcement agencies are there, does anyone know. This is a question for an article being written by a writer friend of mine.
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Maddog » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:19 pm

Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:The US Senate Just Quietly Advanced A Free Speech Busting Anti-BDS Bill

Under the guise of preventing “anti-Semitism,” this anti-BDS bill represents a fraught, Orwellian overreach by Congress into the private lives of all Americans and their right to make politically-motivated decisions.

WASHINGTON — In an evening vote that garnered essentially no national media coverage, the U.S. Senate voted last night to advance the “Strengthening America’s Security in the Middle East Act of 2019” – sometimes called the “anti-BDS bill” for its component that would allow state and local governments to punish companies or individuals who support the non-violent Boycott, Divest, Sanctions movement aimed at promoting Palestinian rights and ending Israeli apartheid and military occupation of the West Bank. The bill was, notably, numbered S.1 — the Senate’s first legislative act of its 2019-20 session.

Numerous rights groups, politicians and civil rights advocates have accused this measure of violating freedom of speech and setting a dangerous precedent for the private political activism of American citizens, all on behalf of a foreign country.

The bill was adopted by the Senate in a vote of 74 in favor to 19 against, with seven abstentions. The bill had previously been blocked by Senate Democrats by a 56-44 vote as part of their objection to acting on legislation during the government shutdown. However, many of those Democratic senators who had previously blocked the bill ultimately voted in support of the measure. In order to become law, the measure would still need to pass the Democrat-run House of Representatives. However, given the amount of support for the measure among Democrats and the power of the Israel lobby, the bill stands a considerable chance of passing the House.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-senat ... ll/254408/

Land of the free...



What does this have to do with this story?


Government infringing the rights of individuals...or ignoring their rights completely. Take your pick. :NAA:



Americans dont have a right to contract with government.

Local government makes people jump through all sorts of hoops to be a contractor for them.

I can assure you that if the Westboro Baptist church wanted to provide daycare services for the Westboro school district, they would be denied that contract based on there stances.

I think most people would be ok with that.


But it's not what they do or how they perform that is the issue, it's what they say or think. Isn't that 1st amendment right in the 'land of the free'?



Yes, like with the Westboro group, what you say or think is protected.

But that doesn't mean government has to hire you to provide services.

No one is losing free speech in these laws. They are losing the ability to contract with or provide services to the government.

The government is not stopping anyone from saying Israel is full of Nazis if that's how they feel.
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Grafenwalder » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:20 am

Rocthedog wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Land of the free :pmsl: so long as they keep getting told they are free while saluting the flag then they'll not notice that they are probably the least free people in the western world.
Is it law yet that you must salute the flag .... can't be far off?


This land grab (I will call it that) is not new, ask the Indian tribes. I have a question, how many law enforcement agencies are there, does anyone know. This is a question for an article being written by a writer friend of mine.

And Mexicans :wink:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/opin ... -back.html

https://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/co ... 537750.php
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby calitom » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:32 am

Rolluplostinspace wrote:
calitom wrote:
Rolluplostinspace wrote:Land of the free :pmsl: so long as they keep getting told they are free while saluting the flag then they'll not notice that they are probably the least free people in the western world.
Is it law yet that you must salute the flag .... can't be far off?


well we are getting less free.. but at least we are fighting it.
Dont wait til they force you to open your home to the new immigrants Jack.Dont get too comfy.
Things happen quickly.

We're pretty fucked in this country Tom but it has nothing to do with immigrants.
You lot can't even see you're fucked and about to get fucked ever more.
You're nation is becoming a bigger bureaucracy than the EU!


perhaps--but we see it clearly--with the demon left wing trying to deep state us and merge us with the EU.Thank GOD for Donald Trump.At least we have a chance.
The UK remainers are just bending over and taking it.
I would agree its not the immigrants doing it to you ---its Brussels foisting them on you and forcing you to ruin your country. by proxy.
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Fletch » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:11 pm

Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:But it's not what they do or how they perform that is the issue, it's what they say or think. Isn't that 1st amendment right in the 'land of the free'?



Yes, like with the Westboro group, what you say or think is protected.

But that doesn't mean government has to hire you to provide services.

No one is losing free speech in these laws. They are losing the ability to contract with or provide services to the government.

The government is not stopping anyone from saying Israel is full of Nazis if that's how they feel.


Hold your horses cowboy :maddog:

Free speech is not just 'allowing' something to be said. It is allowing something to be said, or a belief, without government reprisal.

Two identical tradesmen, one has a view on BDS, one doesn't. The one who does is automatically rejected for that and only that reason.

That is reprisal for saying or believing something by your own government. It is not freedom of speech and thought.
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Re: Scumbag california government weasels..

Postby Maddog » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:54 am

Fletch wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fletch wrote:But it's not what they do or how they perform that is the issue, it's what they say or think. Isn't that 1st amendment right in the 'land of the free'?



Yes, like with the Westboro group, what you say or think is protected.

But that doesn't mean government has to hire you to provide services.

No one is losing free speech in these laws. They are losing the ability to contract with or provide services to the government.

The government is not stopping anyone from saying Israel is full of Nazis if that's how they feel.


Hold your horses cowboy :maddog:

Free speech is not just 'allowing' something to be said. It is allowing something to be said, or a belief, without government reprisal.

Two identical tradesmen, one has a view on BDS, one doesn't. The one who does is automatically rejected for that and only that reason.

That is reprisal for saying or believing something by your own government. It is not freedom of speech and thought.


You have freedom of speech. You dont have freedom from repercussions.

Google the Governor of Virginia right now. He won't be punished for his past free speech but his days in public service might soon be over.
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