Begum nationality stripped from her

[Guest]

Did Saddam see anything wrong in invading Iran and Kuwait and ruling through terror whilst amassing the 4th biggest army on the planet?
Have you seen the film about his son?
Clearly not, it seems you support murderous ideology and evil doers, whereas we like to combat them.
You are not well in the head

The Devils Double - a truly excellent film that would no doubt go straight over aziz’s head. He’d probably say Uday was just a misunderstood young lad who was led astray

[Winnie]

Did Saddam see anything wrong in invading Iran and Kuwait and ruling through terror whilst amassing the 4th biggest army on the planet?
Have you seen the film about his son?
Clearly not, it seems you support murderous ideology and evil doers, whereas we like to combat them.
You are not well in the head

The Devils Double - a truly excellent film that would no doubt go straight over aziz’s head. He’d probably say Uday was just a misunderstood young lad who was led astray

What an insightful movie! Have you watched The Angel? If not please watch it.
That aside, anyone forgiving the Begum bitch saying she should be allowed back is pissing all over the families of those thrown off tall buildings, beheaded, raped, enslaved etc by IS.
They have no soul.

[McAz]

Did Saddam see anything wrong in invading Iran and Kuwait and ruling through terror whilst amassing the 4th biggest army on the planet?
Have you seen the film about his son?
Clearly not, it seems you support murderous ideology and evil doers, whereas we like to combat them.
You are not well in the head

Blimey - it's not often we get psychiatrists guest posting.

[Grafenwalder]

As for the Government stripping peoples citizenship purely on them potentially being able to get it else where

Seems what we've enacted is not so different from what Le Pen was proposing.

No wonder the the naziboys are defending it.

That tweet reminded me of Abramovich who for years had been coming and going at leisure between UK and Russia as he held a Tier 1 investor visa (effectively UK passports for the wealthy who bung a couple of million to the Exchequer). A couple of years ago UK authorities refused his visa renewal after the Skripal affair so Abramovich who is Russian Israeli, exercised his right under Israel's Law of Return, which states that Jews from anywhere in the world can become citizens of Israel. As an Israeli, Abramovich can now visit Britain visa-free.

[Dinkydoobie]

Blimey - it's not often we get psychiatrists guest posting.

Psychiatrist/Psychologists are what we need!

"Some would say this is a just, "you made your bed" policy, but that's exactly the problem -- that approach doesn't work when you're fighting a war that's more about ideas than anything else."

A war of ideas you say? ooh hearts and minds...we psyops now!

"To effectively persuade citizens to change their political allegiances, lay down their arms and the like, the military must target their vulnerabilities and susceptibilities, Rodgers notes. That's why many PSYOP messages contain an "if-then" approach. In the war with Iraq, one of the leaflets dropped illustrates a coalition plane destroying an Iraqi tank with a caption in Arabic warning: "Take an offensive posture, and you will be destroyed." Another photo showed the Iraqi tank intact and read: "Do not take an offensive posture, and you will not be destroyed."

"It's very similar to any behavioral consequence you find in psychology on any child-rearing method--such as if you don't clean up your room, there will be consequences," Rodgers says. "PSYOP is most effective when there is a perception and appreciation of the consequences."

Clean your room!

[McAz]

Blimey - it's not often we get psychiatrists guest posting.

Psychiatrist/Psychologists are what we need!

"Some would say this is a just, "you made your bed" policy, but that's exactly the problem -- that approach doesn't work when you're fighting a war that's more about ideas than anything else."

A war of ideas you say? ooh hearts and minds...we psyops now!

"To effectively persuade citizens to change their political allegiances, lay down their arms and the like, the military must target their vulnerabilities and susceptibilities, Rodgers notes. That's why many PSYOP messages contain an "if-then" approach. In the war with Iraq, one of the leaflets dropped illustrates a coalition plane destroying an Iraqi tank with a caption in Arabic warning: "Take an offensive posture, and you will be destroyed." Another photo showed the Iraqi tank intact and read: "Do not take an offensive posture, and you will not be destroyed."

"It's very similar to any behavioral consequence you find in psychology on any child-rearing method--such as if you don't clean up your room, there will be consequences," Rodgers says. "PSYOP is most effective when there is a perception and appreciation of the consequences."

Clean your room!

Cheers for the information - my missus is with the hoover as we speak.

[Big Fat Frosty]

fuck her and the horse of the apocalypse she rode in on

[Guest]

fuck her and the horse of the apocalypse she rode in on

SWEET JESUS, she's only doing the hoovering FFS.

[Dinkydoobie]

SWEET JESUS, she's only doing the hoovering FFS.

[McAz]

fuck her and the horse of the apocalypse she rode in on

SWEET JESUS, she's only doing the hoovering FFS.

[wutang]

The reason they're having their citizenship revoked isn't because they can claim citizenship elsewhere. .

"It is only possible to strip someone of their UK nationality if they are eligible for citizenship elsewhere."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47301623


She hasnt had a trial so this is purely on a whim, just like how the same principle has been used in the Windrush scandal.

Which means every Jew in Britain can be stripped of UK citizenship on a whim if this, or any future, Government decided to.

A fucking dangerous precedent and one that any right minded person should be disgusted by.

[wutang]

"It is only possible to strip someone of their UK nationality if they are eligible for citizenship elsewhere."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47301623

Just realised that a mate of mine has an Irish granddad so could be stripped of his UK citizenship because he is eligible to be an Irish citizen under their rules.

[wutang]

If he wanted to make a point he could refer to the wife of the guy who was in national action (I believe she's polish) but then she did get put in prison so it kind of blows out of the water the argument that we dont punish wives/girlfriends of people in terrorist organisations.

She wasnt convicted of being the wife/girlfriend of someone in a terrorist organisation.

She was convicted in court of being a member of a terrorist organisation herself.

Has Begum been convicted in a court of law of being a member of a terrorist organisation

[Judge Judy]

If he wanted to make a point he could refer to the wife of the guy who was in national action (I believe she's polish) but then she did get put in prison so it kind of blows out of the water the argument that we dont punish wives/girlfriends of people in terrorist organisations.

She wasnt convicted of being the wife/girlfriend of someone in a terrorist organisation.

She was convicted in court of being a member of a terrorist organisation herself.

Has Begum been convicted in a court of law of being a member of a terrorist organisation

Correct! She has not even been to court to be convicted, however there is an overwhelming body of evidence against her that she could be charged right now with two offences, one of which she can be jailed for 10 years and the other carries a further 8 years.
There is also a case for her father to be investigated too because it seems he could be responsible for her radicalisation.

[Lady Murasaki]

If he wanted to make a point he could refer to the wife of the guy who was in national action (I believe she's polish) but then she did get put in prison so it kind of blows out of the water the argument that we dont punish wives/girlfriends of people in terrorist organisations.

She wasnt convicted of being the wife/girlfriend of someone in a terrorist organisation.

She was convicted in court of being a member of a terrorist organisation herself.

Has Begum been convicted in a court of law of being a member of a terrorist organisation

Correct! She has not even been to court to be convicted, however there is an overwhelming body of evidence against her that she could be charged right now with two offences, one of which she can be jailed for 10 years and the other carries a further 8 years.
There is also a case for her father to be investigated too because it seems he could be responsible for her radicalisation.

What are the two offences?
And I wouldn’t be surprised if her dad was responsible for it.
When she was interviewed on ITN last night (well that’s when I saw the interview) she didn’t seem to care about the distress her family were put in (according to the interviewer). Possibly because she knows they weren’t distressed about her being a jihadi bride?
A lot about this case is sus.