The Chagos Islands

[LordRaven]

If you say so.
I recall the arab spring and the president using the army to quell peaceful protests as the start of one, and a shit fucked economy, run away inflation and protests starting and being crushed as the other.

You have already agreed with me that any UK/US intervention in these matters has nothing to do with whats best for the people there, hence the west arming, funding and supporting Islamist extremists (literally Al-Qaeda) in Syria and right wing death squads in South America.

I have a feeling the reason that such things are done is to destabilise countries because its easier to provide arms for oil to whatever factions want to continue fighting rather than pay for it from any stable government.

[wutang]

I have a feeling the reason that such things are done is to destabilise countries because its easier to provide arms for oil to whatever factions want to continue fighting rather than pay for it from any stable government.

Yeah the US has already made it abundantly clear they want Venezuela's oil.

This is one of those moment where those idiots dumb enough to support the Iraq war can redeem themselves by denouncing America's plans for Venezuela.
Sadly the idiots haven't learned a goddamn thing.

Sigh

[jra]

It seems normal for African leaders to make deals with outsiders and line their own pockets whilst the countries resources are moved offshore with zero benefit to the country's populace.

I watched a programme about the Niger Delta and all its oil being piped straight out to a huge floating structure that tankers pulled up to to be filled up, it was offshore and heavily guarded to keep it out of reach of the locals.

African leaders ought perhaps to think more about their own people instead of themselves.

They are only allowed to be leaders as long as they continue to sell out their own populations. When the west gets involved in a country's politics they arent looking out for the interests of the locals instead they fund, arm and promote the guy willing to sell everything off to them.

If the Third world leader did decide to do what right then its soon time for

So, the source of the problem is the African leaders (which was my point all along), not the Brits essentially, because if there were no market there can be no buyers.

[LordRaven]

I have a feeling the reason that such things are done is to destabilise countries because its easier to provide arms for oil to whatever factions want to continue fighting rather than pay for it from any stable government.

Yeah the US has already made it abundantly clear they want Venezuela's oil.

This is one of those moment where those idiots dumb enough to support the Iraq war can redeem themselves by denouncing America's plans for Venezuela.
Sadly the idiots haven't learned a goddamn thing.

Sigh

Democracy doesn't work in some places, an iron hand does and the removal of the latter leads to chaos.

[Fletch]

The Chagos Islands and the Dark Soul of the British Labour Party
By Craig Murray

Even if you think you know all about the Chagos story – an entire population forcibly removed from their island homeland at British gunpoint to make way for a US Air Force nuclear base, the people dumped destitute over a thousand miles away, their domestic animals gassed by the British army, their homes fired and demolished – then I beg you still to read this.

This analysis shows there could be no more startling illustration of the operation of the brutal and ruthless British Establishment in an undisguisedly Imperialist cause, involving actions which all reasonable people can see are simply evil. It points out that many of the key immoralities were perpetrated by Labour governments, and that the notion that either Westminster democracy or the British “justice” system provides any protection against the most ruthless authoritarianism by the British state, is utterly baseless.

Finally of course, there is the point that this is not only a historic injustice, but the injustice continues to the current day and continues to be actively promoted by the British state, to the extent that it is willing to take massive damage to its international standing and reputation in order to continue this heartless policy. This analysis is squarely based on the recent Opinion of the International Court of Justice.

Others have done an excellent job of chronicling the human stories and the heartache of the Islanders deported into penury far away across the sea. I will take that human aspect as read, although this account of one of the major forced transportations is worth reading to set the tone. The islanders were shipped out in inhuman conditions to deportation, starved for six days and covered in faeces and urine. This was not the 19th century, this was 1972.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-chago ... ty/5673439

Some people seem to think exposing this sort of thing is anti UK or anti west. Some of those even thing their is no establishment power/narrative and that any reference to it is a CT. I invite those who think like that to read this article.

[Fletch]

Before reading the ICJ Opinion, I had not fully realised the blatant and vicious manner in which the Westminster government had blackmailed the Mauritian government into ceding the Chagos Islands as a condition of Independence. That blackmail was carried out by Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson. The court documentation makes plain that the United States was ordering the British Government on how to conduct the entire process, and that Harold Wilson deliberately “frightened” Mauritius into conceding the Chagos Islands. This is an excerpt from the ICJ Opinion:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-chago ... ty/5673439

Airstrip One doing as it's told again.

[Fletch]

At paragraphs 121-3 the ICJ judgement recounts the brief period where the British government behaved in a legal and conscionable manner towards the islanders. In 2000 a Chagos resident, Louis Olivier Bancoult, won a judgement in the High Court in London that the islanders had the right to return, as the colonial authority had an obligation to govern in their interest. Robin Cook was then Foreign Secretary and declared that the Foreign and Commonwealth Office would not be appealing against the judgement.

Robin Cook went further. He accepted before the UN Commission on Human Rights in Geneva that the UK had acted unlawfully in its treatment of the Chagos Islanders. And he repealed the Order in Council that de facto banned all occupation of the islands other than by the US military. Cook commissioned work on a plan to facilitate the return of the islanders.

It seemed finally the British Government was going to act in a reasonably humanitarian fashion towards the islanders. But then disaster happened. The George W Bush administration was infuriated at the idea of a return of population to their most secret base area, and complained bitterly to Blair. This was one of the factors, added to Cook’s opposition to arms sales to dictatorships and insistence on criticising human rights abuses by Saudi Arabia, that caused Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell to remove Robin Cook as Foreign Secretary.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-chago ... ty/5673439

And some want to return to 'middle ground' Blairism. FFS

[Fletch]

Well worth noting is this:

Which brings us up to the present Opinion by the International Court of Justice after the government of Mauritius finally took resolute action to assert sovereignty over the islands. Astonishingly, having repudiated the decision of the Arbitration Panel on the Law of the Sea, very much a British-inspired creation, Jeremy Hunt has now decided to strike at the very heart of international law itself by repudiating the International Court of Justice itself, something for which there is no precedent at all in British history. I discuss the radical implications of this here with Alex Salmond.

This is apposite as throughout the 21st Century developments listed here in this continued horror story, the Chagossians’ cause was championed in the House of Commons by two pariah MPs outside the consensus of the British Establishment. The Chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on the Chagos Islands was Jeremy Corbyn MP. His Deputy was Alex Salmond MP.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-chago ... ty/5673439

You can see why the powers that be don't like him and use their pet media to vilify him at every opportunity.

On the right side of history every time.

JC

[Guest]

Well worth noting is this:

Which brings us up to the present Opinion by the International Court of Justice after the government of Mauritius finally took resolute action to assert sovereignty over the islands. Astonishingly, having repudiated the decision of the Arbitration Panel on the Law of the Sea, very much a British-inspired creation, Jeremy Hunt has now decided to strike at the very heart of international law itself by repudiating the International Court of Justice itself, something for which there is no precedent at all in British history. I discuss the radical implications of this here with Alex Salmond.

This is apposite as throughout the 21st Century developments listed here in this continued horror story, the Chagossians’ cause was championed in the House of Commons by two pariah MPs outside the consensus of the British Establishment. The Chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on the Chagos Islands was Jeremy Corbyn MP. His Deputy was Alex Salmond MP.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-chago ... ty/5673439

You can see why the powers that be don't like him and use their pet media to vilify him at every opportunity.

On the right side of history every time.

JC

Can you paint that by numbers to draw a proper picture about what you are trying to say please?