Vaccines.

[Rolluplostinspace]

not sure where You are going with that Canny? do You agree that pharmacorp are the biggest threat to life as We know it! messing about with key species genome opening up with reckless abandon the potential of wiping out ever higher order of biological Life?

Have a look at our favourite conspiracy theorist's post on page 4. Long, rambling and instantly you can tell where it is heading.

Any post on any forum, and any article in any magazine containing the term 'Big Pharma' should have a huge health warning as a header.

I get eye strain with all the filibustering (is there a separate term for written Words?). a summery would suffice! getting close to five questions in two days there Canny

The summary is that Fletch is an anti-vaxxer, believing that vaccines (Smallpox, Polio, MMR, Tetanus, Meningitis, et al) are all an illness CAUSING con trick by large pharmaceutical companies (termed by anti-vaxxers as 'Big Pharma) to rip off the human race and profit vastly.

Bullshit.
It's about not accepting everything including vaccines are 100% safe and carry major risks for many people.
Vaccine injury payments in America where it is almost impossible to prove the vaccine was to blame has paid out out over five billion pounds in ten years.
That's five million pounds a day if I'm not mistaken.
Have you ever read an insert that comes with medicines tablets pills potions and vaccines?
The dangers listed are all fantasy written by people who read Globalresearch.com?

This should have read dollars and pertains to America/.

[Guest]

Dear whiners, if you invent something at a huge personal cost will you give it away freely and bankrupt yourself?

[Cannydc]

Dear whiners, if you invent something at a huge personal cost will you give it away freely and bankrupt yourself?

Why not ?

You wouldn't be on here but for the generosity of Tim Berners-Lee who donated his invention to the world at no cost. That would be the World Wide Web.

I hold no torch for pharmaceutical companies, or their obscene profits, while children die of easily preventable diseases across the world. They don't do what they do "at great personal cost" - they are funded by shareholders who unashamedly gamble that the next so-called miracle drug will line their pockets. I don't deny them the right to reasonable profits either but there must be a balance.

[Cactus Jack]

Not long ago, a 4-year-old boy died of the flu. His mother, under doctor's orders, watched his two little brothers like a hawk, terrified they might get sick and die, too.

Grieving and frightened, just days after her son's death she checked her Facebook page hoping to read messages of comfort from family and friends.

Instead, she found dozens of hateful comments: You're a terrible mother. You killed your child. You deserved what happened to your son. This is all fake - your child doesn't exist.

Bewildered and rattled, she closed her Facebook app.

A few days later she received a text message from someone named Ron. Expect more like this, Ron warned. Expect more.
The attacks were from those who oppose vaccination, and this mother, who lives in the Midwest, doesn't want her name used for fear the attention would only encourage more messages.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/19/heal ... index.html

On the subject of vaccinations first the science is settled - there is no link between vaccines and autism whatsoever and that myth was thoroughly debunked over twenty years ago. And yes there are many tales of parents who found their child had autism after the child had vaccinations, that's because the age at which signs of autism begin to manifest is roughly the same time as when you have your child vaccinated and for the same reason - it's when the child begins to socialise.

Even if the science were not settled, which it is but pretend for a second it isn't, you take it from someone on the spectrum, autism is much better than death. And it's not just us Aspies who think so, ask most parents if they would prefer to have a child with a disorder than be managed or treated or a dead child and the response would go very much in favour of having a living autistic child.

Lacking a facts, or even a coherent argument around their 'alternative facts' the anti-vaxxers take to trying to shout down the overwhelming mountain of evidence against them. It used to be that anti-vaxxers were the Brexiteers or Climate Change deniers of the 'green' left. These days the extreme right, whose memes of government conspiracies and anti-education, anti-science and anti-evidence are more aligned with the anti-vaxxers, seem to have taken the lead. That's a pity because whilst those on the 'green' left would insist on treating themselves with only herbal tea and quietly die off without being anything more than a minor annoyance the extreme right are far more dangerous.

[MungoBrush]

Dear whiners, if you invent something at a huge personal cost will you give it away freely and bankrupt yourself?

Why not ?

You wouldn't be on here but for the generosity of Tim Berners-Lee who donated his invention to the world at no cost. That would be the World Wide Web.

I hold no torch for pharmaceutical companies, or their obscene profits, while children die of easily preventable diseases across the world. They don't do what they do "at great personal cost" - they are funded by shareholders who unashamedly gamble that the next so-called miracle drug will line their pockets. I don't deny them the right to reasonable profits either but there must be a balance.

Pharmaceutical research is extremely risky.
That's why the rewards seem to be large
Only 1 in 5000 new drugs ever makes it to the market
It costs just as much to develop a failure as a success
Someone has to pay for the 4999 that don't make it.
So the cost for that one drug has to cover the development costs of those 4999 as well.

[jra]

I don't know a single person who is unaware that vaccines can have side effects, and that on rare occasions they can be severe.

Not a soul who believes they are 100% effective.

But absolutely everyone I have discussed this with agrees that they are the best we have to do the job of halting spread of diseases.

Those that believe otherwise are beneath contempt imho - happy to allow their offspring not only to suffer these diseases, but to spread them to those who might not be vaccinated for whatever reason (too young, unsuitable or vaccine ineffective). They destroy the herd immunity that protects the vulnerable. They disgust me.

Apparently, there is potential for a polio outbreak in Papua New Guinea. So, do we just let it spread or vaccinate? I'd go for the latter.

https://www.who.int/westernpacific/emer ... s-outbreak

I'd say the benefits generally far outweigh the risks when it comes to vaccines. It's almost like there aren't enough diseases already, so let's give up vaccinations incase just one person suffers a severe side effect.

[Cannydc]

Dear whiners, if you invent something at a huge personal cost will you give it away freely and bankrupt yourself?

Why not ?

You wouldn't be on here but for the generosity of Tim Berners-Lee who donated his invention to the world at no cost. That would be the World Wide Web.

I hold no torch for pharmaceutical companies, or their obscene profits, while children die of easily preventable diseases across the world. They don't do what they do "at great personal cost" - they are funded by shareholders who unashamedly gamble that the next so-called miracle drug will line their pockets. I don't deny them the right to reasonable profits either but there must be a balance.

Pharmaceutical research is extremely risky.
That's why the rewards seem to be large
Only 1 in 5000 new drugs ever makes it to the market
It costs just as much to develop a failure as a success
Someone has to pay for the 4999 that don't make it.
So the cost for that one drug has to cover the development costs of those 4999 as well.

Very noble. However....

Glaxo Smith Kline (UK Company) profits up 34% last year to £5.48 Billion...

Just one example - all of the big guys are coining it in, in similar fashion..

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/glaxosmi ... 4-13961635 -

[MungoBrush]

Dear whiners, if you invent something at a huge personal cost will you give it away freely and bankrupt yourself?

Why not ?

You wouldn't be on here but for the generosity of Tim Berners-Lee who donated his invention to the world at no cost. That would be the World Wide Web.

I hold no torch for pharmaceutical companies, or their obscene profits, while children die of easily preventable diseases across the world. They don't do what they do "at great personal cost" - they are funded by shareholders who unashamedly gamble that the next so-called miracle drug will line their pockets. I don't deny them the right to reasonable profits either but there must be a balance.

Pharmaceutical research is extremely risky.
That's why the rewards seem to be large
Only 1 in 5000 new drugs ever makes it to the market
It costs just as much to develop a failure as a success
Someone has to pay for the 4999 that don't make it.
So the cost for that one drug has to cover the development costs of those 4999 as well.

Very noble. However....

Glaxo Smith Kline (UK Company) profits up 34% last year to £5.48 Billion...

Just one example - all of the big guys are coining it in, in similar fashion..

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/glaxosmi ... 4-13961635 -

GSK's return on investment over the past 5 years is 12.51%
This is not an unreasonable return.

[Cannydc]

And of course the rest goes to charity....

[MungoBrush]

And of course the rest goes to charity....

I know that I've said this to you many times before - but you really should speak to your wife about this
She will be able to walk you through GSK's financial report (which has been externally audited) and explain to you where all their money comes from and where it goes to.
I've even managed to get a copy of their 2018 financial statement to save you the work.

Speak to your wife Cannydc

https://www.gsk.com/media/5344/financial-statements.pdf

[Cannydc]

And of course the rest goes to charity....

I know that I've said this to you many times before - but you really should speak to your wife about this
She will be able to walk you through GSK's financial report (which has been externally audited) and explain to you where all their money comes from and where it goes to.
I've even managed to get a copy of their 2018 financial statement to save you the work.

Speak to your wife Cannydc

https://www.gsk.com/media/5344/financial-statements.pdf

Grow up, Bungle.

[MungoBrush]

And of course the rest goes to charity....

I know that I've said this to you many times before - but you really should speak to your wife about this
She will be able to walk you through GSK's financial report (which has been externally audited) and explain to you where all their money comes from and where it goes to.
I've even managed to get a copy of their 2018 financial statement to save you the work.

Speak to your wife Cannydc

https://www.gsk.com/media/5344/financial-statements.pdf

Grow up, Bungle.

The reason I keep encouraging you to speak to your wife is that Tax and Accounting are very complex subjects about which quite clearly you know nothing
If she does indeed lecture in Tax and Accounting - as you have previously claimed - then she would be able to teach you

[Cactus Jack]

Canny - If your wife is a lecturer in Tax and Accounting try this old one on her.

What's the difference between a a maths teacher and an accountant?

Your maths teacher tells you two and two make four, your accountant tells you when it makes three and why it makes five

[art0hur0moh]

to inoculate or vaccinate?

pharma corp is a regulatory body created in the early part of the 20th century! it's purpose to protect Goods from being destroyed by failed experiments! it is purely economic, with latter additions to protect the Public. since some drugs do cause harm to the general Public. liability was directed squarely on the shoulders of quack pharmacists. saying that many ingredients where legal and not necessarily harmful to the general Population. the occasional fatality due to allergens or negative reaction to a combination of ingredients was rare, but not uncommon. the poor would suffer till a point when a wealthy person with connections was directly affected.

there are Children who do still get measles even after vaccination. in most instance early intervention inoculating the Child will save the their Life, not always.

the biggest scientific error in modern History was destroying the small pox virus. there are many colds and flu contagions. most can easily be dealt with if People remained in bed, mitigating further infection to the Public. and give the body time to recover properly.

there is not a single piece of evidence to show injecting mercury into a Child is beneficial to their cognitive ability! it is a direct attack on intellect!

the first inoculation was puss removed for the hands of milk maids to cure the small pox epidemic because the west was in fear of a repeat of the plague! vaccination isn't a cure and doesn't prevent a full blow infection. what it dose is mitigate they greater ramifications of infection passing quickly from one Body to another!

pharma corp is a purely fiscal Body subject to regulations limiting the use of naturally known cures and treatment in favor of expensive experimental products and resources that in many cases especially psychological drugs have far more detrimental effects than beneficial. there is no known compound better than Honey to fight bacterial infection! it is the only substance that can deal with mrsa. which is a direct result of over use of pharmaceutical anti bacterial compounds, ie penicillin.

the prescribing of anti bacterial agents for ulcers causes reinfection where a few maggots would deal with the issue permanently.

[Cannydc]

And of course the rest goes to charity....

I know that I've said this to you many times before - but you really should speak to your wife about this
She will be able to walk you through GSK's financial report (which has been externally audited) and explain to you where all their money comes from and where it goes to.
I've even managed to get a copy of their 2018 financial statement to save you the work.

Speak to your wife Cannydc

https://www.gsk.com/media/5344/financial-statements.pdf

Grow up, Bungle.

The reason I keep encouraging you to speak to your wife is that Tax and Accounting are very complex subjects about which quite clearly you know nothing
If she does indeed lecture in Tax and Accounting - as you have previously claimed - then she would be able to teach you

Clearly one blindingly obvious fact has passed you by.

I'll put this as simply as possible.

My wife is THAI, and was teaching accountancy in Hat Yai Business College, THAILAND. What on earth makes you think she would be teaching UK tax and accountancy law?

She wouldn't, you daft twat. Every time you trot out the "speak to your wife about tax / accountancy" I have a good laugh. Time to put you out of your misery.