LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Cannydc » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:24 am

eremy Corbyn said he will scrap the “regime of extreme pressure testing” in primary schools by abolishing SATs.

The Labour leader said the new policy would relieve pressure on a schools system forced to cope with overcrowded classrooms, and an ongoing crisis in teacher recruitment and retention.

"Sats and the regime of extreme pressure testing are giving young children nightmares and leaving them in floods of tears.

"I meet teachers of all ages and backgrounds who are totally overworked and overstressed. These are dedicated public servants. It's just wrong."

Mr Corbyn also announced that the next Labour government will scrap baseline assessments for reception classes.

He said Labour would consult parents and teachers on an alternative that "prepares children for life, not just for exams".


Spot on.

This should also be the start of the end of school league tables. And once that ends, the return of kids going to the school nearest to where they live, and the end of the annual bunfight where parents whine on about not getting first choice of school for their little darlings.

Who knows, we might even get a proper revolution, where Eton et al lose their charitable status (wtf?) and truly become available to all, without parental cost.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 1555451221
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Fletch » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:44 pm

Good. The pressure put on very young children is preposterous. Many countries start their children at school at an older age and are far more about teaching than box ticking and rehearsing for an exam. Young children should be allowed to explore and use their imagination, not be trained in to being subservient and the next set of slaves for big business.
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Postby Lady Murasaki » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:42 pm

If only...it was Labour that ramped it all up with the ‘education, education, education’ mantra. Pressure to get high SAT scores and get schools to compete were made worse by Labour and particularly that arse Blunkett.
So, although it’s a step in the direction, take this with a pinch of salt.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Fletch » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:51 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:If only...it was Labour that ramped it all up with the ‘education, education, education’ mantra. Pressure to get high SAT scores and get schools to compete were made worse by Labour and particularly that arse Blunkett.
So, although it’s a step in the direction, take this with a pinch of salt.


You're not that dumb ffs, New labour were neoliberals like Thatcher and all those since her. Labour under JC is the first time in 40 years a true alternative has been on offer. Not the same pro private, low tax, zero public services and the rest of it parties that have gone before it.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Lady Murasaki » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:58 pm

Don’t talk to me, you creep me out. Put me on ignore. Truly.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Fletch » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:01 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:Don’t talk to me, you creep me out. Put me on ignore. Truly.


Over dramatic even for you. :roll:

Still, as an excuse for being shown up as clueless I suppose it's to be expected.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Lady Murasaki » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:05 pm

So put me on ignore and stop quoting or referring to me. Simple solution. I have no wish to discuss anything serious with you.

All you do is troll, even in politics.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Fletch » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:08 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:So put me on ignore and stop quoting or referring to me. Simple solution. I have no wish to discuss anything serious with you.

All you do is troll, even in politics.


Pointing out you are wrong is not trolling.

If you can't engage in discussion in news then fuck off out of it. :smilin:
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Lady Murasaki » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:18 pm

Being rude because someone who you keep following around doesn’t wish to engage with you doesn’t exactly make you look smart.

I tend to avoid the place if I see you online, you’re just creepy and tedious.

Leave me out of your strange trolling, don’t quote me and I’ll happily keep avoiding you.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Fletch » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:21 pm

Take your disruption routine back to the Arms murasaki :again?:
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Lady Murasaki » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:23 pm

You’re back on ignore.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Cannydc » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:45 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:If only...it was Labour that ramped it all up with the ‘education, education, education’ mantra. Pressure to get high SAT scores and get schools to compete were made worse by Labour and particularly that arse Blunkett.
So, although it’s a step in the direction, take this with a pinch of salt.


It's so easy to take what they enacted out of context.

When Labour took over in 1997 the education system was crumbling. Schools were falling down, teachers leaving, class sizes out of control. The mantra ‘education, education, education’ meant much more than what was taught.

There was huge desire among the electorate for two things - testing at key stages and published school league tables. We all know why.

Labour fell into that trap. The saying 'We should be careful of what we wish for' very much applied in this case. It's worth mentioning though, that if you ask parents if they want to see league tables so they can choose 'the best school' for their child, the answer is almost always yes. Testing is the obvious way to produce those tables.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Lady Murasaki » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:55 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:If only...it was Labour that ramped it all up with the ‘education, education, education’ mantra. Pressure to get high SAT scores and get schools to compete were made worse by Labour and particularly that arse Blunkett.
So, although it’s a step in the direction, take this with a pinch of salt.


It's so easy to take what they enacted out of context.

When Labour took over in 1997 the education system was crumbling. Schools were falling down, teachers leaving, class sizes out of control. The mantra ‘education, education, education’ meant much more than what was taught.

There was huge desire among the electorate for two things - testing at key stages and published school league tables. We all know why.

Labour fell into that trap. The saying 'We should be careful of what we wish for' very much applied in this case. It's worth mentioning though, that if you ask parents if they want to see league tables so they can choose 'the best school' for their child, the answer is almost always yes. Testing is the obvious way to produce those tables.


Certain things shouldn’t be trampled on to win elections. Education and public medical health.
Consecutive governments, incl labour, ran with the education mantra and messed it up.

What do we have now? Fake addresses in certain areas, house prices rocketing in certain areas, mass upset that kids aren’t getting into desired schools. Kids are passing tests but are they smarter than kids their age were 30-40 years ago? Not necessarily but they are trained in passing tests and there’s a lot more kids/teens taking anti depressants. As well as a lot more teachers.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Cannydc » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:01 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:If only...it was Labour that ramped it all up with the ‘education, education, education’ mantra. Pressure to get high SAT scores and get schools to compete were made worse by Labour and particularly that arse Blunkett.
So, although it’s a step in the direction, take this with a pinch of salt.


It's so easy to take what they enacted out of context.

When Labour took over in 1997 the education system was crumbling. Schools were falling down, teachers leaving, class sizes out of control. The mantra ‘education, education, education’ meant much more than what was taught.

There was huge desire among the electorate for two things - testing at key stages and published school league tables. We all know why.

Labour fell into that trap. The saying 'We should be careful of what we wish for' very much applied in this case. It's worth mentioning though, that if you ask parents if they want to see league tables so they can choose 'the best school' for their child, the answer is almost always yes. Testing is the obvious way to produce those tables.


Certain things shouldn’t be trampled on to win elections. Education and public medical health.
Consecutive governments, incl labour, ran with the education mantra and messed it up.

What do we have now? Fake addresses in certain areas, house prices rocketing in certain areas, mass upset that kids aren’t getting into desired schools. Kids are passing tests but are they smarter than kids their age were 30-40 years ago? Not necessarily but they are trained in passing tests and there’s a lot more kids/teens taking anti depressants. As well as a lot more teachers.


I agree that it was a very bad idea, but perhaps you need to realise that promising (and delivering ) better schools and a better health service has to be a big part of an election manifesto.

Not all methods of delivery will be perfect - that's the real wrld.
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Re: LABOUR TO SCRAP SATs

Postby Lady Murasaki » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:09 pm

I’m socialist where it comes to health and education but the way Labour delivered was woeful, the road to hell really was filled with good intentions, something to learn from because the Tories sure as hell don’t care about educating the masses.
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