Bravo Boris!

[McAz]

Today, retirement income has a whole new meaning
People can retire whenever they like
Provided you have saved up enough to keep yourself
The state pension can be deferred to whatever age you decide you need it.
But people shouldn't be reliant on it
People need to take responsibility for their own retirement income.

We shouldn't expect the next generation to pay extra taxes so we can retire early.

Outside of slavery people have always been able to retire whenever they like - today, retirement income does not have a whole new meaning.

Why did you not want pension parity at age 60?

[MungoBrush]

Today, retirement income has a whole new meaning
People can retire whenever they like
Provided you have saved up enough to keep yourself
The state pension can be deferred to whatever age you decide you need it.
But people shouldn't be reliant on it
People need to take responsibility for their own retirement income.

We shouldn't expect the next generation to pay extra taxes so we can retire early.

Outside of slavery people have always been able to retire whenever they like - today, retirement income does not have a whole new meaning.

Why did you not want pension parity at age 60?

Just think about it for a minute
Life expectancy in the UK is currently about 80
The UK state pension is not like a traditional pension supported by a fund.
It's paid out of consolidated revenue - ie taxes

So you want the next generation to pay extra taxes to pay the state pension to men and women aged over 60 for 20 years?
That's quite a burden you are dumping on them.

[McAz]

Today, retirement income has a whole new meaning
People can retire whenever they like
Provided you have saved up enough to keep yourself
The state pension can be deferred to whatever age you decide you need it.
But people shouldn't be reliant on it
People need to take responsibility for their own retirement income.

We shouldn't expect the next generation to pay extra taxes so we can retire early.

Outside of slavery people have always been able to retire whenever they like - today, retirement income does not have a whole new meaning.

Why did you not want pension parity at age 60?

Just think about it for a minute
Life expectancy in the UK is currently about 80
The UK state pension is not like a traditional pension supported by a fund.
It's paid out of consolidated revenue - ie taxes

So you want the next generation to pay extra taxes to pay the state pension to men and women aged over 60 for 20 years?
That's quite a burden you are dumping on them.

I'm happy for the poor to have a decent and extended end of life funded by taxes (and where appropriate their former employers who profited from them). My end of life is funded by the taxpayer (by whatever generation) and I wish the less advantaged to enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to me.

[Stooo]

Today, retirement income has a whole new meaning
People can retire whenever they like
Provided you have saved up enough to keep yourself
The state pension can be deferred to whatever age you decide you need it.
But people shouldn't be reliant on it
People need to take responsibility for their own retirement income.

We shouldn't expect the next generation to pay extra taxes so we can retire early.

Outside of slavery people have always been able to retire whenever they like - today, retirement income does not have a whole new meaning.

Why did you not want pension parity at age 60?

Just think about it for a minute
Life expectancy in the UK is currently about 80
The UK state pension is not like a traditional pension supported by a fund.
It's paid out of consolidated revenue - ie taxes

So you want the next generation to pay extra taxes to pay the state pension to men and women aged over 60 for 20 years?
That's quite a burden you are dumping on them.

That's a traditional voting base for the tories

The EU has proposals for pension reform, how would you feel if we used the German model?

[MungoBrush]

Today, retirement income has a whole new meaning
People can retire whenever they like
Provided you have saved up enough to keep yourself
The state pension can be deferred to whatever age you decide you need it.
But people shouldn't be reliant on it
People need to take responsibility for their own retirement income.

We shouldn't expect the next generation to pay extra taxes so we can retire early.

Outside of slavery people have always been able to retire whenever they like - today, retirement income does not have a whole new meaning.

Why did you not want pension parity at age 60?

Just think about it for a minute
Life expectancy in the UK is currently about 80
The UK state pension is not like a traditional pension supported by a fund.
It's paid out of consolidated revenue - ie taxes

So you want the next generation to pay extra taxes to pay the state pension to men and women aged over 60 for 20 years?
That's quite a burden you are dumping on them.

I'm happy for the poor to have a decent and extended end of life funded by taxes (and where appropriate their former employers who profited from them). My end of life is funded by the taxpayer (by whatever generation) and I wish the less advantaged to enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to me.

State pension isn't means tested - it's paid to all taxpayers who reach the qualifying age
You think that retirement for all should be funded from taxation from age 60?

60 is NOT end-of-Life

[McAz]

Today, retirement income has a whole new meaning
People can retire whenever they like
Provided you have saved up enough to keep yourself
The state pension can be deferred to whatever age you decide you need it.
But people shouldn't be reliant on it
People need to take responsibility for their own retirement income.

We shouldn't expect the next generation to pay extra taxes so we can retire early.

Outside of slavery people have always been able to retire whenever they like - today, retirement income does not have a whole new meaning.

Why did you not want pension parity at age 60?

Just think about it for a minute
Life expectancy in the UK is currently about 80
The UK state pension is not like a traditional pension supported by a fund.
It's paid out of consolidated revenue - ie taxes

So you want the next generation to pay extra taxes to pay the state pension to men and women aged over 60 for 20 years?
That's quite a burden you are dumping on them.

I'm happy for the poor to have a decent and extended end of life funded by taxes (and where appropriate their former employers who profited from them). My end of life is funded by the taxpayer (by whatever generation) and I wish the less advantaged to enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to me.

State pension isn't means tested - it's paid to all taxpayers who reach the qualifying age
You think that retirement for all should be funded from taxation from age 60?

60 is NOT end-of-Life

I'm happy for everyone who reaches 60 to be able to retire with a livable income irrespective of their state of wealth or poverty. I have no problem with means testing the rich who don't need a state pension if you think that would save a few pence.

60 sure ain't start-of-life.

Your avatar seems to have passed away prematurely.

[Stooo]

Boris's grasp of history is as poor as his soulmate Trump's. (Trump gave historians a fit when he ignorantly claimed an airforce weapon was used in a battle - before it was invented. )

When Boris was insulting the climate protesters ("hemp smelling bivouacs") he said it was Thatcher who was the real feminist, not them. Oh no she wasn't, she snobbishly rubbished feminists ..... and like most snobs she was oblivious to the fact that she'd benefitted directly from all the changes and equality rights that early feminists battled for, with their blood, sweat and tears. Hooray to whoever did that joker sketch of him.


PS good luck on the march, Stooo. Hope you'll get good weather and a productive day.

So with all your feminist ideals, I expect that you support the push to align the retirement age for both men and women.

The WASPI women?

While I share their concerns, the days of early retirement for women hark back to the time of where they would be carers for their husbands when they retired, giving time to put the house in order so to speak.

What is more disturbing is the increase in the pensionable age rather than parity.

When the Old Age Pension was first introduced in the UK in 1909 it was paid to both men and women at age 70
In 1909, life expectancy was 52 for men and 55 for women
And it was means tested. Anyone still working at age 70 didn't get it.

At some stage women got preferential treatment - even though they had longer life expectancies
Now we are just bringing that back into balance

Today, retirement income has a whole new meaning
People can retire whenever they like
Provided you have saved up enough to keep yourself
The state pension can be deferred to whatever age you decide you need it.
But people shouldn't be reliant on it
People need to take responsibility for their own retirement income.

We shouldn't expect the next generation to pay extra taxes so we can retire early.

Much of our welfare state goes back to post-war care of the 90% who didn't get killed but were damaged both physically and mentally due to their participation in a total war. We should go further and make everything less shit.

[Cannydc]

"At some stage women got preferential treatment - even though they had longer life expectancies
Now we are just bringing that back into balance"

Women may have been living longer when the 65 (men), 60 (women) was introduced, but to get a pension at 60 women needed to have paid NI 'stamp' for decades.

Very few did, because in a different time they tended to marry, stay at home with children and if they worked at all it tended to be once past childbearing age.

Also, they found themselves often nursing elderly parents, then their ailing husbands. It was far from preferential treatment in those days to get a pittance at 60.

Most of this no longer applies, so it stood to reason that an equality of pension ages was on the cards - and so it happened.

[MungoBrush]

"At some stage women got preferential treatment - even though they had longer life expectancies
Now we are just bringing that back into balance"

Women may have been living longer when the 65 (men), 60 (women) was introduced, but to get a pension at 60 women needed to have paid NI 'stamp' for decades.

Very few did, because in a different time they tended to marry, stay at home with children and if they worked at all it tended to be once past childbearing age.

Also, they found themselves often nursing elderly parents, then their ailing husbands. It was far from preferential treatment in those days to get a pittance at 60.

Most of this no longer applies, so it stood to reason that an equality of pension ages was on the cards - and so it happened.

Sounds like we are all in agreement
This must be a milestone for your dogs forum, Stoo

[Guest]

Boris's grasp of history is as poor as his soulmate Trump's. (Trump gave historians a fit when he ignorantly claimed an airforce weapon was used in a battle - before it was invented. )

When Boris was insulting the climate protesters ("hemp smelling bivouacs") he said it was Thatcher who was the real feminist, not them. Oh no she wasn't, she snobbishly rubbished feminists ..... and like most snobs she was oblivious to the fact that she'd benefitted directly from all the changes and equality rights that early feminists battled for, with their blood, sweat and tears. Hooray to whoever did that joker sketch of him.


PS good luck on the march, Stooo. Hope you'll get good weather and a productive day.

So with all your feminist ideals, I expect that you support the push to align the retirement age for both men and women.

The WASPI women?

While I share their concerns, the days of early retirement for women hark back to the time of where they would be carers for their husbands when they retired, giving time to put the house in order so to speak.

What is more disturbing is the increase in the pensionable age rather than parity.

When the Old Age Pension was first introduced in the UK in 1909 it was paid to both men and women at age 70
In 1909, life expectancy was 52 for men and 55 for women
And it was means tested. Anyone still working at age 70 didn't get it.

At some stage women got preferential treatment - even though they had longer life expectancies
Now we are just bringing that back into balance

Today, retirement income has a whole new meaning
People can retire whenever they like
Provided you have saved up enough to keep yourself
The state pension can be deferred to whatever age you decide you need it.
But people shouldn't be reliant on it
People need to take responsibility for their own retirement income.

We shouldn't expect the next generation to pay extra taxes so we can retire early.

Much of our welfare state goes back to post-war care of the 90% who didn't get killed but were damaged both physically and mentally due to their participation in a total war. We should go further and make everything less shit.

LD's/Swinson only have policies to maintain the status quo.

In the fifth richest country in the world no one should be forced to rely on a food bank to feed their family, no one should sleep rough on our streets and no one should go to work for poverty wages.

JC.

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Boris's grasp of history is as poor as his soulmate Trump's. (Trump gave historians a fit when he ignorantly claimed an airforce weapon was used in a battle - before it was invented. )

When Boris was insulting the climate protesters ("hemp smelling bivouacs") he said it was Thatcher who was the real feminist, not them. Oh no she wasn't, she snobbishly rubbished feminists ..... and like most snobs she was oblivious to the fact that she'd benefitted directly from all the changes and equality rights that early feminists battled for, with their blood, sweat and tears. Hooray to whoever did that joker sketch of him.


PS good luck on the march, Stooo. Hope you'll get good weather and a productive day.

So with all your feminist ideals, I expect that you support the push to align the retirement age for both men and women.

Ya.
Cos I'm a realist & a pragmatist.
It would be morally wrong to cherrypick all the advantages of gender equality that feminists battled for ...... and then moan about the disadvantages.
Hence I willingly accept 'the rough with the smooth' in life.

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[Stooo]

"At some stage women got preferential treatment - even though they had longer life expectancies
Now we are just bringing that back into balance"

Women may have been living longer when the 65 (men), 60 (women) was introduced, but to get a pension at 60 women needed to have paid NI 'stamp' for decades.

Very few did, because in a different time they tended to marry, stay at home with children and if they worked at all it tended to be once past childbearing age.

Also, they found themselves often nursing elderly parents, then their ailing husbands. It was far from preferential treatment in those days to get a pittance at 60.

Most of this no longer applies, so it stood to reason that an equality of pension ages was on the cards - and so it happened.

Sounds like we are all in agreement
This must be a milestone for your dogs forum, Stoo

We did it Dogs, we crossed the beams!

[MungoBrush]

In the fifth richest country in the world no one should be forced to rely on a food bank to feed their family, no one should sleep rough on our streets and no one should go to work for poverty wages.

JC.

On a per capita basis UK doesn't even make the top 25 richest nations.

[Stooo]

In the fifth richest country in the world no one should be forced to rely on a food bank to feed their family, no one should sleep rough on our streets and no one should go to work for poverty wages.

JC.

On a per capita basis UK doesn't even make the top 25 richest nations.

Get an avatar Mungo or Hobbit will get you one which you will hate...