Betrayal of Britain.

Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:57 pm

How English nationalist Boris Johnson is turning UK into US ‘colony’ – Henry McLeish
Boris Johnson and the right-wing Tories in Cabinet are English nationalists who hope to turn UK into a US ‘colony’, a country where EU regulations are replaced by limited welfare, minimum standards, low taxes and low pay, writes Henry McLeish.

Britain, it is claimed, is on a war-time footing, with tax-payer funded, pro-Brexit propaganda and billions of pounds being spent on preparations for a “no deal” Brexit. In doing so, Johnson is mocking the memory and achievements of a great war leader. Sir Winston Churchill was fighting fascism, the destruction of civilisation and the possible invasion of Britain. In sharp contrast, Johnson, a narcissist and opportunist, is only trying to cope with the most monumental act of self-harm this country has ever inflicted upon itself.

Telling lies, exploiting emotion, sentiment, and nostalgia, sprinkling billions on services his party has starved of resources and serving it up with a large dose of delusion and theatrics, are all designed to rally the great British public aro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/c ... -1-4977216

....and I constantly hear people don't trust Corbyn!!!
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Cannydc » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:09 pm

Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby McAz » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:12 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:How English nationalist Boris Johnson is turning UK into US ‘colony’


Ah, so we're not getting our country back after all - just giving it to someone else. Thought so. :roll:
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Stooo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:43 pm

There's basically three options.

1. The known: the EU

2. The unknown: US/China

3. The batshit insane: Whatever where we are now.

We have to come to some sort of decision as to where we will trade (Did you really think that the Huawei stuff was about 5G :mrgreen: ) and Bolton's bullshit about impossible trading terms turned our unelected PM back to Europe.

Oh yes there will be some bluster, oh yes there will be some concessions but whatever the news says a gentle limp back to normality will happen. I've said many times that it will take us a decade to get back to 2016 levels and this looks like how we will do it, with the EU.
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Red Okktober » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:09 pm

Cannydc wrote:Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news canny, but should anyone bring about a vote of no confidence against the PM, and he lose it. He can simply ignore it and call a GE after Oct 31st instead. By which time we will be out of the EU.

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 would require the Queen to ask a senior politician (Corbyn for example) to form a parliament that confirms confidence, should a vote of no confidence succeed against Boris. Unfortunately for the likes of you though, the Act is silent on resignation, meaning Boris is under no obligation to resign should that happen, so can continue as PM, take us out of the EU, and then face a GE only after we are out.

Enjoy your remaining 11 weeks as an EU citizen. The clock is ticking :thumbsup:
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Cannydc » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news canny, but should anyone bring about a vote of no confidence against the PM, and he lose it. He can simply ignore it and call a GE after Oct 31st instead. By which time we will be out of the EU.

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 would require the Queen to ask a senior politician (Corbyn for example) to form a parliament that confirms confidence, should a vote of no confidence succeed against Boris. Unfortunately for the likes of you though, the Act is silent on resignation, meaning Boris is under no obligation to resign should that happen, so can continue as PM, take us out of the EU, and then face a GE only after we are out.

Enjoy your remaining 11 weeks as an EU citizen. The clock is ticking :thumbsup:


And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:28 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news canny, but should anyone bring about a vote of no confidence against the PM, and he lose it. He can simply ignore it and call a GE after Oct 31st instead. By which time we will be out of the EU.

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 would require the Queen to ask a senior politician (Corbyn for example) to form a parliament that confirms confidence, should a vote of no confidence succeed against Boris. Unfortunately for the likes of you though, the Act is silent on resignation, meaning Boris is under no obligation to resign should that happen, so can continue as PM, take us out of the EU, and then face a GE only after we are out.

Enjoy your remaining 11 weeks as an EU citizen. The clock is ticking :thumbsup:


And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.

I think so too, as David Steel once said to the Libdems "Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government :doomed:
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby McAz » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:31 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news canny, but should anyone bring about a vote of no confidence against the PM, and he lose it. He can simply ignore it and call a GE after Oct 31st instead. By which time we will be out of the EU.

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 would require the Queen to ask a senior politician (Corbyn for example) to form a parliament that confirms confidence, should a vote of no confidence succeed against Boris. Unfortunately for the likes of you though, the Act is silent on resignation, meaning Boris is under no obligation to resign should that happen, so can continue as PM, take us out of the EU, and then face a GE only after we are out.

Enjoy your remaining 11 weeks as an EU citizen. The clock is ticking :thumbsup:


And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.

He's praying for a concession from the EU - any concession so that he can claim to have snatched a victory from May's jaws of defeat - he knows that a hard Brexit will fuck the Tories harder than it fucks the rest of us.

Frankly, if we are going to leave then bring it on as hard as possible.
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:33 pm

McAz wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news canny, but should anyone bring about a vote of no confidence against the PM, and he lose it. He can simply ignore it and call a GE after Oct 31st instead. By which time we will be out of the EU.

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 would require the Queen to ask a senior politician (Corbyn for example) to form a parliament that confirms confidence, should a vote of no confidence succeed against Boris. Unfortunately for the likes of you though, the Act is silent on resignation, meaning Boris is under no obligation to resign should that happen, so can continue as PM, take us out of the EU, and then face a GE only after we are out.

Enjoy your remaining 11 weeks as an EU citizen. The clock is ticking :thumbsup:


And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.

He's praying for a concession from the EU - any concession so that he can claim to have snatched a victory from May's jaws of defeat - he knows that a hard Brexit will fuck the Tories harder than it fucks the rest of us.

Frankly, if we are going to leave then bring it on as hard as possible.

I concur, the whole thing is such that I would like Leavers to suffer
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby McAz » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:36 pm

LordRaven wrote:
McAz wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news canny, but should anyone bring about a vote of no confidence against the PM, and he lose it. He can simply ignore it and call a GE after Oct 31st instead. By which time we will be out of the EU.

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 would require the Queen to ask a senior politician (Corbyn for example) to form a parliament that confirms confidence, should a vote of no confidence succeed against Boris. Unfortunately for the likes of you though, the Act is silent on resignation, meaning Boris is under no obligation to resign should that happen, so can continue as PM, take us out of the EU, and then face a GE only after we are out.

Enjoy your remaining 11 weeks as an EU citizen. The clock is ticking :thumbsup:


And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.

He's praying for a concession from the EU - any concession so that he can claim to have snatched a victory from May's jaws of defeat - he knows that a hard Brexit will fuck the Tories harder than it fucks the rest of us.

Frankly, if we are going to leave then bring it on as hard as possible.

I concur, the whole thing is such that I would like Leavers to suffer


The Conservative and Unionist Party will preside over the end of the Union - a delicious irony that we can all savour. :laughing:
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Red Okktober » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:37 pm

Cannydc wrote:And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.



Firstly, a vote of no confidence has to be brought about.

Secondly, Boris has to lose it.

Thirdly, he can ignore it anyway.

Your days of protesting against Leave are numbered - you have run out of options.

As it should be, democracy wins the day. :thumbsup:
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby LordRaven » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:42 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.



Firstly, a vote of no confidence has to be brought about.

Secondly, Boris has to lose it.

Thirdly, he can ignore it anyway.

Your days of protesting against Leave are numbered - you have run out of options.

As it should be, democracy wins the day. :thumbsup:

And that will be good for us--how?
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Stooo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:49 pm

McAz wrote:
Cannydc wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Cannydc wrote:Some Tory MPs are very uncomfortable with the direction this cretin is taking the country, which places them on the horns of a dilemma. Do they vote in favour of the economic and spiritual good of the country and kick his arse out via a vote of no confidence and a general election - but that would mean many losing their seats as tactical voting will be king this time, or do they save their own skins, hang on for the ride, and the good of the country, the UK as an entity, and probably in the long run the end of the Tory party are the obvious consequences?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news canny, but should anyone bring about a vote of no confidence against the PM, and he lose it. He can simply ignore it and call a GE after Oct 31st instead. By which time we will be out of the EU.

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 would require the Queen to ask a senior politician (Corbyn for example) to form a parliament that confirms confidence, should a vote of no confidence succeed against Boris. Unfortunately for the likes of you though, the Act is silent on resignation, meaning Boris is under no obligation to resign should that happen, so can continue as PM, take us out of the EU, and then face a GE only after we are out.

Enjoy your remaining 11 weeks as an EU citizen. The clock is ticking :thumbsup:


And you must realise that in the unlikely event that he decides to barricade himself in No 10 in order to avoid the inevitable, he will also be destroying his party as an electoral force for decades to come ?

Meanwhile there will be plenty of 'men in grey suits' persuading him that such a course is foolhardy and suicidal.

Seems his options are severely limited, especially proroguing parliament - and No Deal will never get through as you might have noticed.

All the hurried policy announcements, the cancelling of holidays for staff, the severe shaking of the fabled money tree - all point to a General Election. Can't wait.

He's praying for a concession from the EU - any concession so that he can claim to have snatched a victory from May's jaws of defeat - he knows that a hard Brexit will fuck the Tories harder than it fucks the rest of us.

Frankly, if we are going to leave then bring it on as hard as possible.


Get used to phrases like 'micro deals' buzzwords for nothing will change :wink:
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Rolluplostinspace » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:20 pm

We're gonna crash and burn hard Brexit no deal .... Boris doesn't give a fuck about destroying the Tory party which won't happen anyway.
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Re: Betrayal of Britain.

Postby Cannydc » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:34 pm

Rolluplostinspace wrote:We're gonna crash and burn hard Brexit no deal .... Boris doesn't give a fuck about destroying the Tory party which won't happen anyway.


Absolutely.

If (and that's still a big if, despite Brexiteer bluster) we leave, it will imho be a big fat No Deal.

The EU will never allow the Backstop to be ditched, against the wishes of loyal members Ireland.

And as far as I am concerned, if it means the breakup of the UK, I can live with it. I can live with the country being fucked over by a hard Brexit too. Sometimes we have to learn harsh lessons brought on by our own stupid mistakes.

Boris and his mad right wing brigade will own the whole shooting match and it will probably mean the end of his kind of politics here for many years. Whether it takes a 'unity government' to do it, I care not - just let's get a government that will restore the status quo asap.
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