Starmer + Phillips, Labour Dream Team?

[MungoBrush]

So we're back to public perception and conformity rather than policies and an actual choice when it comes to elections.

Neoliberal party A or neoliberal party B.

One ideology, different actors fronting it. (selling it to the masses)

Pretty much.

Ideally we should have a genuine party representing conservatism, one representing liberalism and one for socialism and let them slug it out. Can't see that happening in my lifetime so take what you can get and whatever change, however incremental, is on the table.

If you want a "genuine" socialist party, why don't you support the "Socialist Party of Great Britain"
Don't bugger up the Labour Party

The Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB) is a socialist political party in the United Kingdom. Founded in 1904 as a split from the Social Democratic Federation (SDF), it advocates using the ballot box for revolutionary purposes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist ... at_Britain

[Avon Barksdale]

So we're back to public perception and conformity rather than policies and an actual choice when it comes to elections.

Neoliberal party A or neoliberal party B.

One ideology, different actors fronting it. (selling it to the masses)

Pretty much.

Ideally we should have a genuine party representing conservatism, one representing liberalism and one for socialism and let them slug it out. Can't see that happening in my lifetime so take what you can get and whatever change, however incremental, is on the table.

If you want a "genuine" socialist party, why don't you support the "Socialist Party of Great Britain"
Don't bugger up the Labour Party

The Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB) is a socialist political party in the United Kingdom. Founded in 1904 as a split from the Social Democratic Federation (SDF), it advocates using the ballot box for revolutionary purposes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist ... at_Britain

I'm not a socialist.

I'm not party political and am a standard floating voter. Generally I vote Lib Dems as they align most closely with my values however.

[McAz]

So we're back to public perception and conformity rather than policies and an actual choice when it comes to elections.

Neoliberal party A or neoliberal party B.

One ideology, different actors fronting it. (selling it to the masses)

Pretty much.

Ideally we should have a genuine party representing conservatism, one representing liberalism and one for socialism and let them slug it out. Can't see that happening in my lifetime so take what you can get and whatever change, however incremental, is on the table.

If you want a "genuine" socialist party, why don't you support the "Socialist Party of Great Britain"
Don't bugger up the Labour Party

The Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB) is a socialist political party in the United Kingdom. Founded in 1904 as a split from the Social Democratic Federation (SDF), it advocates using the ballot box for revolutionary purposes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist ... at_Britain

Why do you care how buggered the Labour Party is?

[Guest]

[McAz]

Or just a person with a happy disposition.

[Guest]

Or just a person with a happy disposition.

She will never get much of the membership

[Guest]

[McAz]

Or just a person with a happy disposition.

She will never get much of the membership

I can't provide informed comment - it's not my party.

[Major]

Labour Dream Team.
That is all they can do is DREAM, carry on dreaming, labour is in the wilderness alone, finished. kaput.

[McAz]

Labour Dream Team.
That is all they can do is DREAM, carry on dreaming, labour is in the wilderness alone, finished. kaput.

Why do you care?

[Major]

Labour Dream Team.
That is all they can do is DREAM, carry on dreaming, labour is in the wilderness alone, finished. kaput.

Why do you care?

I am scared that sometime in the distant future labour might get voted in, I have never seen such a load of incompetent rabble, it id sad that they lost so much face and respect mainly due to Corvine, some down to Abbott.
Leaders of a country must show and give respect
Labour Lost big time
I care that Labour showed the rest of the world their uselessness.

[McAz]

Labour Dream Team.
That is all they can do is DREAM, carry on dreaming, labour is in the wilderness alone, finished. kaput.

Why do you care?

I am scared that sometime in the distant future labour might get voted in, I have never seen such a load of incompetent rabble, it id sad that they lost so much face and respect mainly due to Corvine, some down to Abbott.
Leaders of a country must show and give respect
Labour Lost big time
I care that Labour showed the rest of the world their uselessness.

Well if they are such an incompetent rabble then you've nothing to worry about. In any event, with your death imminent you should now be considering giving up your lifelong hate and bigotry and be preparing for your hereafter.

[Guest]

Or just a person with a happy disposition.

She will never get much of the membership

I can't provide informed comment

No need to state the obvious.

[Cannydc]

So we're back to public perception and conformity rather than policies and an actual choice when it comes to elections.

Neoliberal party A or neoliberal party B.

One ideology, different actors fronting it. (selling it to the masses)

Pretty much.

Ideally we should have a genuine party representing conservatism, one representing liberalism and one for socialism and let them slug it out. Can't see that happening in my lifetime so take what you can get and whatever change, however incremental, is on the table.

Be careful, AB - you aren't allowed to say that on here without receiving vitriol for not being ideologically 'pure'.

However, for the record I agree 100% with your sentiment.

[Red Okktober]

Labour won't be able to mount a serious challenge for a very, very long time, let alone overturn such a huge majority. None of the candidates for leadership have any star quality about them at all, it's the same old, same old.

Choosing a new leader for the party as it stands, is like choosing a head clown at the circus.

The party needs to reinvent itself, find a charismatic leader, and pray to god that Boris fucks up big time over and over, and allows the door to open just enough to let their size 16 clown's feet through.

It could be that the next Labour PM, if there is one, is still at school, or may not even be born yet. It's almost certain that the last Labour PM you lefty dinosaurs on here will ever see in your lifetime, is Gordon Brown.