Coronavirus: Positive News

Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cannydc » Fri May 22, 2020 10:35 am

Missed this yesterday, it is actually very bad news if, like his estimates so far, it proves accurate.

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Update: A cautious estimate of the number of UK excess deaths linked ot coronavirus during the pandemic is

63,300

There are growing signs of a longer tail to this epidemic limiting the decline in deaths than when we first passed the peak


As long as appreciable death toll continues it will be very difficult to lift the lockdown in a safe and acceptable manner.
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cannydc » Fri May 22, 2020 11:12 am

Tens of thousands of Covid-19 tests have been double-counted in the Government’s official tally, public health officials have admitted.

Diagnostic tests which involve taking saliva and nasal samples from the same patient are being counted as two tests, not one.

The Department of Health and Social Care and Public Health England each confirmed the double-counting.

This inflates the daily reported diagnostic test numbers by over 20 per cent, with that proportion being much higher earlier on in the crisis before home test kits were added to the daily totals.

Almost 350,000 more tests have been reported in Government data than people tested since the start of the pandemic.

The discrepancy is in large part explained by the practice of counting salvia and nasal samples for the same individual twice.


Just one more reason to believe Hancock's Half Hour of knockabout fun with statistics...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... officials/
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby drum » Fri May 22, 2020 11:15 am

Cannydc wrote:
Tens of thousands of Covid-19 tests have been double-counted in the Government’s official tally, public health officials have admitted.

Diagnostic tests which involve taking saliva and nasal samples from the same patient are being counted as two tests, not one.

The Department of Health and Social Care and Public Health England each confirmed the double-counting.

This inflates the daily reported diagnostic test numbers by over 20 per cent, with that proportion being much higher earlier on in the crisis before home test kits were added to the daily totals.

Almost 350,000 more tests have been reported in Government data than people tested since the start of the pandemic.

The discrepancy is in large part explained by the practice of counting salvia and nasal samples for the same individual twice.


Just one more reason to believe Hancock's Half Hour of knockabout fun with statistics...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... officials/



I posted this in the Arms thread as well..

We must have a serious investigation into all this, they have cheated on all figures for just about everything. single gloves, double counted tests, neglect of the care homes the lies, the lies the lies :shake head:
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby MungoBrush » Fri May 22, 2020 11:36 am

Cannydc wrote:Absolute word salad, Bungle.

I am one person - I am tested at one of the test stations - that test is successful - how many tests have I had, and how many are counted as successful diagnostic tests?

Answer = 1

I am Matt Hancock. I send out 50,000 tests today, some to universities for experimentation (around 30,000 in many cases), some to care homes and some to others. At our testing stations, 78,000 tests were carried out, of which 64,000 were successful and the remainder were not - often because it makes you retch until you puke. How many tests to I announce to the media?

Answer = 78,000 + 50,000 = 128,000

Really.

And Bungle (and half the country, it seems) swallow the "we are ramping up" guff.


Bullshit ...... bullshit ........... bullshit ........

Why do you keep posting lies Canny?
Read and learn ........
This testing ramp-up program was all setout in this document published early April.
Why didn't you start stamping and screaming then?
All the testing pillars are setout here
All the rules
The way it all be run and governed
Coronavirus (COVID-19)
Scaling up our testing programmes
Department of Health and Social Care
Published 04 April 2020


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... rategy.pdf

Your problem is that you just can't stand to see this government achieving its goals can you
So you make up lies to try to discredit it.

Be like Ed Balls, Canny
Ed Balls was on "Would I lie to you" yesterday and he didn't lie.
In fact he even re-enacted a karaoke song with the mystery guest which they performed at a Labour Party conference.

Don't lie Canny
Be like Ed Balls
Don't lie.
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cannydc » Fri May 22, 2020 11:39 am

Of course we should, and we will, Drum.

One thing about gloves - they don't come in 'pairs', they come in boxes of 100 or more, as single items...

https://www.onbuy.com/gb/medical-grade- ... x4QAvD_BwE
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cannydc » Fri May 22, 2020 11:45 am

p.s. Had to put the insane rants from Bungle back onto 'ignore', as he seems completely unable to accept facts about "non-tests" including

Failed tests at point of testing

double tests on a single person,

double counting of a single test,

tests sent out (but not returned counted as tests and

tests for purely research purposes counted as tests,

ALL being counted in fake figures..

Someone please let me know when he wakes up to reality.
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby MungoBrush » Fri May 22, 2020 12:20 pm

Cannydc wrote:p.s. Had to put the insane rants from Bungle back onto 'ignore', as he seems completely unable to accept facts about "non-tests" including

Failed tests at point of testing

double tests on a single person,

double counting of a single test,

tests sent out (but not returned counted as tests and

tests for purely research purposes counted as tests,

ALL being counted in fake figures..

Someone please let me know when he wakes up to reality.


I see you haven't read the testing strategy document that I found for you
What's the matter?
Words too long?
Sentences too complicated?

Ask me anything you don't understand
I'm here to help.
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cactus Jack » Fri May 22, 2020 2:03 pm

Cannydc wrote:p.s. Had to put the insane rants from Bungle back onto 'ignore', as he seems completely unable to accept facts about "non-tests" including

Failed tests at point of testing

double tests on a single person,

double counting of a single test,

tests sent out (but not returned counted as tests and

tests for purely research purposes counted as tests,

ALL being counted in fake figures..

Someone please let me know when he wakes up to reality.

Canny do you think we can persuade the ACCA to run their tests in the same way?

We can put our names down, the test will be sent out to us and by the very act of sending us the test the ACCA will be making us fully qualified accountants.

It will be briliant because with all the business failures and insolvency work coming up fully qualified accountants will be making mega-bucks.

I wonder if Nick Hancock would let and accountant who qualified that way do his taxes?
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cannydc » Fri May 22, 2020 2:07 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Cannydc wrote:p.s. Had to put the insane rants from Bungle back onto 'ignore', as he seems completely unable to accept facts about "non-tests" including

Failed tests at point of testing

double tests on a single person,

double counting of a single test,

tests sent out (but not returned counted as tests and

tests for purely research purposes counted as tests,

ALL being counted in fake figures..

Someone please let me know when he wakes up to reality.

Canny do you think we can persuade the ACCA to run their tests in the same way?

We can put our names down, the test will be sent out to us and by the very act of sending us the test the ACCA will be making us fully qualified accountants.

It will be briliant because with all the business failures and insolvency work coming up fully qualified accountants will be making mega-bucks.

I wonder if Nick Hancock would let and accountant who qualified that way do his taxes?


That may well be the case, CJ.

All I know for sure is that I "swiped right" 200 times on Tinder, and now have 200 women lined up ready and willing to sleep with me.

Don't I ?
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby MungoBrush » Fri May 22, 2020 6:46 pm

Cannydc wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Cannydc wrote:p.s. Had to put the insane rants from Bungle back onto 'ignore', as he seems completely unable to accept facts about "non-tests" including

Failed tests at point of testing

double tests on a single person,

double counting of a single test,

tests sent out (but not returned counted as tests and

tests for purely research purposes counted as tests,

ALL being counted in fake figures..

Someone please let me know when he wakes up to reality.

Canny do you think we can persuade the ACCA to run their tests in the same way?

We can put our names down, the test will be sent out to us and by the very act of sending us the test the ACCA will be making us fully qualified accountants.

It will be briliant because with all the business failures and insolvency work coming up fully qualified accountants will be making mega-bucks.

I wonder if Nick Hancock would let and accountant who qualified that way do his taxes?


That may well be the case, CJ.

All I know for sure is that I "swiped right" 200 times on Tinder, and now have 200 women lined up ready and willing to sleep with me.

Don't I ?


I know you have trouble understanding the English language, Canny
But this is a Positive News thread
I realise that you probably never ever smile
So you'd probably be better off posting in another thread.
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cannydc » Sat May 30, 2020 10:04 am

You're desperate for positive news...

The rally around the flag period appears to have ended and people are once again willing to be critical of the government. The government’s approval ratings have dropped and the large Tory lead in the polls has deflated.

In one sense it was inevitable that this would happen sooner or later – partisanship would reassert itself. The specific trigger however seems to have been the badly handled announcement of the minor lockdown relaxations on the 11th May, at a time when the public had very little appetite for any relaxation at all. That knocked the Conservative lead in the polls down to the low teens, and first pushed their approval rating into negative territory.

That was compounded by the Dominic Cummings affair. Certainly polling on the specifics of the Cumming affair were strongly negative, with most of the public thinking he had broken the rules and should resign. More importantly it appears to have damaged the government’s wider support, with the three polls conducted since then showing a Conservative lead of only 5 or 6 points.


Including latest Yougov/Datapraxis poll

Con 43%
Lab 38%
LibDem 6%
SNP 5%
Greens 4%
Brexit 3%

How to lose 3/4 of a 20% lead in less than a week - hugely positive !! (Link won't Outline)

https://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby MungoBrush » Sat May 30, 2020 11:25 am

Cannydc wrote:You're desperate for positive news...

The rally around the flag period appears to have ended and people are once again willing to be critical of the government. The government’s approval ratings have dropped and the large Tory lead in the polls has deflated.

In one sense it was inevitable that this would happen sooner or later – partisanship would reassert itself. The specific trigger however seems to have been the badly handled announcement of the minor lockdown relaxations on the 11th May, at a time when the public had very little appetite for any relaxation at all. That knocked the Conservative lead in the polls down to the low teens, and first pushed their approval rating into negative territory.

That was compounded by the Dominic Cummings affair. Certainly polling on the specifics of the Cumming affair were strongly negative, with most of the public thinking he had broken the rules and should resign. More importantly it appears to have damaged the government’s wider support, with the three polls conducted since then showing a Conservative lead of only 5 or 6 points.


Including latest Yougov/Datapraxis poll

Con 43%
Lab 38%
LibDem 6%
SNP 5%
Greens 4%
Brexit 3%

How to lose 3/4 of a 20% lead in less than a week - hugely positive !! (Link won't Outline)

https://ukpollingreport.co.uk/


Yes, I saw that
Plus a whole load of other polls showing a similar drop in support for the Conservatives
All down to Cummings and the PM's public endorsement of his reckless behaviour I believe.
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cannydc » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:51 pm

Anyone know why the government has for the last 9 days described the number of people tested for Covid-19 as "UNAVAILABLE" on daily brief slides?

Answers on a postcard, but should reference "100,000 people tested by April 30th" and "Capacity to test any number plucked out of thin air".
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Cannydc » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:55 pm

Seems the press are finally picking up on potential Covid-19 cases being here in the UK in December and January.

A day before the first confirmed fatality from coronavirus outside mainland China was reported on 2 February this year, the death of the influential guitarist and musician Andy Gill was announced. The 64-year-old, who fronted the post-punk band Gang of Four, died of pneumonia after two weeks in St Thomas’ hospital in London.

The trajectory of Gill’s illness, which took medics looking after him in January by surprise, is now familiar – sudden deterioration, low oxygen levels and organ failure. He had fallen sick after his band returned from a trip to China in late November. A short time later, his 26-year-old tour manager was taken to hospital in Leeds with a severe respiratory infection.

As images started rolling in of wards in China and then Italy overwhelmed with Covid-19 patients, Gill’s widow Catherine Mayer – an author and co-founder of the Women’s Equality party – couldn’t shake the suspicion that her partner of nearly 30 years may have been an early victim of the virus.

In a blogpost written last month, Mayer said she emailed Gill’s thoracic specialist to ask the question. “His response winded me,” she wrote. The consultant said: “It seemed to me at the time of Andy’s illness that we had not fully understood why he deteriorated as he did. Once we learned more about Covid-19, I thought there was a real possibility that Andy had been infected by Sars-Cov-2.....

.......Earlier last month, the news emerged that a swab taken from a man treated in a hospital near Paris on 27 December for suspected pneumonia tested positive for Covid-19”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... e-to-light
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Re: Coronavirus: Positive News

Postby Guest » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:58 pm

Cannydc wrote:Anyone know why the government has for the last 9 days described the number of people tested for Covid-19 as "UNAVAILABLE" on daily brief slides?

Answers on a postcard, but should reference "100,000 people tested by April 30th" and "Capacity to test any number plucked out of thin air".


I think it has to do with this letter from Sir David Norgrave regarding the statistics.

The reply to him is in the link at the bottom of the transcript.


https://www.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/ ... 9-testing/
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