BRAINS VERSUS BLUSTER

[Cactus Jack]

From what I saw Keir Starmer certainly had Boris on the back foot from the get go.

He has a lawyers gift for accepting what the Accused - in this case Boris - as verbatim truth at the start and then slowing dismantling the the dissemination, distraction and disinformation to arrive at that kernel of truth within the attempts at spin and bluster.

What started out as Boris virtue signalling with his support for the NHS and Key workers quickly became the spectacle of Boris trying to brush past the many failings that led to this crisis going so deep and lasting so long.

There is no doubt that had a plan that marshalled the army of professional contact tracers from sexual health, environmental health, normal flu response and, when necessary, law enforcement been in place when this pandemic hit - as it was in New Zealand - far fewer people would have become sick and correspondingly fewer would have lost their lives. Less important but significantly it's unlikely we would have sustained the same long term economic damage had a lockdown - if it had even proved necessary - been a short shap shock rather than a prolonged hiatus in economic activity.

There is no doubt that a more robust and supportive intervention in social care and care homes would have saved literally thousands of lives and spared many people a lot of grief.

There is even less doubt this is case after Kier Starmer's excellent performance

[drum]

I like how Starmer is quiet and consistent and gets his points across, we wont see Starmer in full until the house sits full again. Unfortunately we are stuck with the tory party for years so all the clear talk in the world isn't going to change anything.
How do we out a government ?

[Raggamuffin]

Are people using their own words here or are they quoting someone else? If it's the latter, they should put it in a quote box and link to the source.

[MungoBrush]

Are people using their own words here or are they quoting someone else? If it's the latter, they should put it in a quote box and link to the source.

Well, for example, this part from Cannydc was stolen straight from the BBC:

by Cannydc » Wed May 06, 2020 5:22 pm

today's face-off between Sir Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson followed the kind of script that the Labour leader's supporters could only have dreamed off and would surely have written themselves given the chance.

Stolen from the BBC:

today's face-off between Sir Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson followed the kind of script that the Labour leader's supporters might have hoped to write themselves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52556778

[Cannydc]

I shall have to speak to the BBC...

[MungoBrush]

:pmsl:

I shall have to speak to the BBC...

I would do more than that if I were you
IP theft is a crime
You can check this with Sir Kier who I'm sure would be able to confirm the potential criminal penalties
Should the BBC decide to pursue this, you would, of course, end up with a criminal record
Which might put paid to your plans to move to Thailand
And they might come after Stoo as well.

Here's an example of how you might be punished:

10 years and/or a fine. 6 months and/or a £5,000 fine.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... y-offences

[Raggamuffin]

It is in the rules actually.

[Cannydc]

It is in the rules actually.

Awwwww bless.

The butt-hurt brigade are out in force today...

[Raggamuffin]

It is in the rules actually.

Awwwww bless.

The butt-hurt brigade are out in force today...

Do they not apply to you then?

Copyright

If you copy and paste direct from another source please ensure that you wrap it in quote tags and add a reference

failure to do this will result in post deletion, continued failure will result in a ban

Thanks

It's also common courtesy not to claim someone else's words as your own.

[MungoBrush]

It is in the rules actually.

Awwwww bless.

The butt-hurt brigade are out in force today...

Do they not apply to you then?

Copyright

If you copy and paste direct from another source please ensure that you wrap it in quote tags and add a reference

failure to do this will result in post deletion, continued failure will result in a ban

Thanks

It's also common courtesy not to claim someone else's words as your own.

Maybe Cannydc fancies a bit of butt-hurt
He could get plenty of that in prison.

[Holly]

Any quotes from a source other than your own has to be put into "quotes" and a link provided or the posts will be removed.
I have removed yours Cannydc. You can repost it if you like but do it the right way.

[Cannydc]

Any quotes from a source other than your own has to be put into "quotes" and a link provided or the posts will be removed.
I have removed yours Cannydc. You can repost it if you like but do it the right way.

I think I did, Holly, but you're the boss.

[Cannydc]

Just for you, Holly.

PM Boris Johnson must have been busy. Far too busy to think about other things, things like....errr..."Oh Christ Almighty !!! Dom, what the F*** should I be doing at this very moment?" Dominic Cummings glanced at Johnson with barely concealed contempt. "PMQs, Prime Minister" he sneered.

Minutes later, and minutes late, he appeared in the chamber - not to the usual raucous cheers of vacuous Tory back benchers, but to silence and a disapproving look from Mr Speaker. Proceedings opened with a patsy question from a particularly obsequious Tory toady, but from that moment it all went downhill...fast.

Sir Keir Starmer used his courtroom skills to great effect. He quietly pointed out the obvious, that we were now the owners of the second highest Covid-19 death toll in the world, and the highest in Europe, then asked "How did it come to this?".

No answer was forthcoming, of course. Just the oft-repeated excuse that we couldn't properly compare figures from other countries due to differences in counting. He must have hoped he had dodged that particular bullet. Then came a dagger to Johnson's heart.

Waving the government's own graph which had been used by their own spokespersons at numerous briefings, Starmer pointed out that they did indeed compare other countries figures with our own, Johnson was clearly taken aback and glanced around for support. None came. No-one there, old chap. Sorry, you're on your own with this one, and you've got several more questions to face, each as forensic as the last. Johnson gulped visibly.

Care homes deaths, PPE, it was all one big ugly mess which Johnson had to apologise for. He didn't of course - that would be a step too far and place every minister who has tried to bluff their way through this in an impossible position.

At last, it came to an end. But there could only be one winner and that winner is truth, facts and reality. None of which are even recognised by a government and their Prime Minister who lie, cover up, obfuscate and divert rather than fess up to the huge mess they have made of handling this crisis.

Labour supporters will have a quiet smile on their faces tonight after Johnson's seminal work today. And dread in their hearts that four more years of this along with a huge recession and massive unemployment to come will mean more botched government. How long will it be before certain tabloids realise they backed a loser, a chump, a complete fake, and desert him?

[Cactus Jack]

Just for you, Holly.

PM Boris Johnson must have been busy. Far too busy to think about other things, things like....errr..."Oh Christ Almighty !!! Dom, what the F*** should I be doing at this very moment?" Dominic Cummings glanced at Johnson with barely concealed contempt. "PMQs, Prime Minister" he sneered.

Minutes later, and minutes late, he appeared in the chamber - not to the usual raucous cheers of vacuous Tory back benchers, but to silence and a disapproving look from Mr Speaker. Proceedings opened with a patsy question from a particularly obsequious Tory toady, but from that moment it all went downhill...fast.

Sir Keir Starmer used his courtroom skills to great effect. He quietly pointed out the obvious, that we were now the owners of the second highest Covid-19 death toll in the world, and the highest in Europe, then asked "How did it come to this?".

No answer was forthcoming, of course. Just the oft-repeated excuse that we couldn't properly compare figures from other countries due to differences in counting. He must have hoped he had dodged that particular bullet. Then came a dagger to Johnson's heart.

Waving the government's own graph which had been used by their own spokespersons at numerous briefings, Starmer pointed out that they did indeed compare other countries figures with our own, Johnson was clearly taken aback and glanced around for support. None came. No-one there, old chap. Sorry, you're on your own with this one, and you've got several more questions to face, each as forensic as the last. Johnson gulped visibly.

Care homes deaths, PPE, it was all one big ugly mess which Johnson had to apologise for. He didn't of course - that would be a step too far and place every minister who has tried to bluff their way through this in an impossible position.

At last, it came to an end. But there could only be one winner and that winner is truth, facts and reality. None of which are even recognised by a government and their Prime Minister who lie, cover up, obfuscate and divert rather than fess up to the huge mess they have made of handling this crisis.

Labour supporters will have a quiet smile on their faces tonight after Johnson's seminal work today. And dread in their hearts that four more years of this along with a huge recession and massive unemployment to come will mean more botched government. How long will it be before certain tabloids realise they backed a loser, a chump, a complete fake, and desert him?

Your quotes don't seem to working Canny.

try writing [ quote ] at the start of what you're quoting and [ /Quote ] (without the spaces) at the end.

Also include a hyperlink to the source if you can

[Raggamuffin]

I think Canny wrote that himself.