Momentum lose control of Momentum

Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby Guest » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:02 pm

It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby MungoBrush » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:57 pm

Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.


Are you referring to the "Forward Momentum" group?
If so, their stated aim is to further the "radical policies of the Corbyn era" according to this reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)#Constitution_and_structure
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby ArchieG » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:30 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.


Are you referring to the "Forward Momentum" group?
If so, their stated aim is to further the "radical policies of the Corbyn era" according to this reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)#Constitution_and_structure

It appears they've lost control of their own shit. Can't say I'm sorry. We might stand a chance of not having a Tory government next election.
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby Cannydc » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:04 am

ArchieG wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.


Are you referring to the "Forward Momentum" group?
If so, their stated aim is to further the "radical policies of the Corbyn era" according to this reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)#Constitution_and_structure

It appears they've lost control of their own shit. Can't say I'm sorry. We might stand a chance of not having a Tory government next election.


You are correct.

MPs opposed to Sir Keir Starmer’s leadership failed to win control of Momentum, the grassroots campaign group.

Candidates backed by the Labour leader’s most vocal adversaries in parliament were routed in elections to Momentum’s ruling body, which buttressed Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership and leads the group’s 40,000 members.


40,000 out of a membership of nearly half a million. No more power, no more influence. They won't be missed.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/star ... -9s395j523
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby Guest » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:07 am

Cannydc wrote:
ArchieG wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.


Are you referring to the "Forward Momentum" group?
If so, their stated aim is to further the "radical policies of the Corbyn era" according to this reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)#Constitution_and_structure

It appears they've lost control of their own shit. Can't say I'm sorry. We might stand a chance of not having a Tory government next election.


You are correct.

MPs opposed to Sir Keir Starmer’s leadership failed to win control of Momentum, the grassroots campaign group.

Candidates backed by the Labour leader’s most vocal adversaries in parliament were routed in elections to Momentum’s ruling body, which buttressed Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership and leads the group’s 40,000 members.


40,000 out of a membership of nearly half a million. No more power, no more influence. They won't be missed.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/star ... -9s395j523



Only 8 thousand voted as well. The idea Momentum can ever retake control of Labour is now laughable.

Thank god that era is over.
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby Guest » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:36 am

Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.

What is all this soft left and hard left stuff and how does this relate to the far left that I hear others talking about and what does all this sheet mean? Where do the Blairites fit in all of this - the far right? Blair was often accused of being a soft Tory.
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby Guest » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:39 am

Cannydc wrote:40,000 out of a membership of nearly half a million. No more power, no more influence. They won't be missed.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/star ... -9s395j523

How did Momentum ever become so influential in the Labour Party? Or maybe their influence was overstated?
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Postby ArchieG » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:08 am

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.

What is all this soft left and hard left stuff and how does this relate to the far left that I hear others talking about and what does all this sheet mean? Where do the Blairites fit in all of this - the far right? Blair was often accused of being a soft Tory.

We need to get a grip of this term, the far right. The far right is Hitler, Mussolini, BNP, even Marine Le Pen isn't as far right as her dad. The tories aren't far right, even Trump and Bolsanaro aren't far right. The idea that Blair was hard right is where it all went wrong. It's not the Labour hard left we have to watch out for, it's the mad left. Anyone who thinks even Johnson is far right has lost the plot. He'd be a one nation Tory if Rees-Mogg etc would let him. Still a lying bastard, but there's plenty of those on both sides of the house.
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby MungoBrush » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:24 pm

ArchieG wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.

What is all this soft left and hard left stuff and how does this relate to the far left that I hear others talking about and what does all this sheet mean? Where do the Blairites fit in all of this - the far right? Blair was often accused of being a soft Tory.

We need to get a grip of this term, the far right. The far right is Hitler, Mussolini, BNP, even Marine Le Pen isn't as far right as her dad. The tories aren't far right, even Trump and Bolsanaro aren't far right. The idea that Blair was hard right is where it all went wrong. It's not the Labour hard left we have to watch out for, it's the mad left. Anyone who thinks even Johnson is far right has lost the plot. He'd be a one nation Tory if Rees-Mogg etc would let him. Still a lying bastard, but there's plenty of those on both sides of the house.


Looks to me like Boris Johnson's government is actually to the left of Tony Blair's
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby ArchieG » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:47 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
ArchieG wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.

What is all this soft left and hard left stuff and how does this relate to the far left that I hear others talking about and what does all this sheet mean? Where do the Blairites fit in all of this - the far right? Blair was often accused of being a soft Tory.

We need to get a grip of this term, the far right. The far right is Hitler, Mussolini, BNP, even Marine Le Pen isn't as far right as her dad. The tories aren't far right, even Trump and Bolsanaro aren't far right. The idea that Blair was hard right is where it all went wrong. It's not the Labour hard left we have to watch out for, it's the mad left. Anyone who thinks even Johnson is far right has lost the plot. He'd be a one nation Tory if Rees-Mogg etc would let him. Still a lying bastard, but there's plenty of those on both sides of the house.


Looks to me like Boris Johnson's government is actually to the left of Tony Blair's

Pretty sure that's a temporary aberration. But no way are they far right. I can't think of a current government that I'd term far right, nor for the matter, anyone who's really far left. Not sure what to make to China. Authoritarian cunts, perhaps.
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby Cannydc » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:25 pm

ArchieG wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
ArchieG wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:It looks like the soft left of Labour had a successful coup of hard left Labour last night and won all 9 places on Momentum's board.

Starmer couldn't have wished for a better outcome. Makes me wonder if he planted people on there for this reason.

What is all this soft left and hard left stuff and how does this relate to the far left that I hear others talking about and what does all this sheet mean? Where do the Blairites fit in all of this - the far right? Blair was often accused of being a soft Tory.

We need to get a grip of this term, the far right. The far right is Hitler, Mussolini, BNP, even Marine Le Pen isn't as far right as her dad. The tories aren't far right, even Trump and Bolsanaro aren't far right. The idea that Blair was hard right is where it all went wrong. It's not the Labour hard left we have to watch out for, it's the mad left. Anyone who thinks even Johnson is far right has lost the plot. He'd be a one nation Tory if Rees-Mogg etc would let him. Still a lying bastard, but there's plenty of those on both sides of the house.


Looks to me like Boris Johnson's government is actually to the left of Tony Blair's

Pretty sure that's a temporary aberration. But no way are they far right. I can't think of a current government that I'd term far right, nor for the matter, anyone who's really far left. Not sure what to make to China. Authoritarian cunts, perhaps.


10 years of austerity, the hostile environment, support for Brexit and the horrendous Universal Credit / Sanctioning regime should tell you where this lot live on the Left/Right scale.

Blair was a centrist social democrat. So was every single Labour PM before him. Corbyn is a left wing socialist (NOT far left).
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby Text » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:23 pm

Cannydc wrote:
ArchieG wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
ArchieG wrote:
Guest wrote:
What is all this soft left and hard left stuff and how does this relate to the far left that I hear others talking about and what does all this sheet mean? Where do the Blairites fit in all of this - the far right? Blair was often accused of being a soft Tory.

We need to get a grip of this term, the far right. The far right is Hitler, Mussolini, BNP, even Marine Le Pen isn't as far right as her dad. The tories aren't far right, even Trump and Bolsanaro aren't far right. The idea that Blair was hard right is where it all went wrong. It's not the Labour hard left we have to watch out for, it's the mad left. Anyone who thinks even Johnson is far right has lost the plot. He'd be a one nation Tory if Rees-Mogg etc would let him. Still a lying bastard, but there's plenty of those on both sides of the house.


Looks to me like Boris Johnson's government is actually to the left of Tony Blair's

Pretty sure that's a temporary aberration. But no way are they far right. I can't think of a current government that I'd term far right, nor for the matter, anyone who's really far left. Not sure what to make to China. Authoritarian cunts, perhaps.


10 years of austerity, the hostile environment, support for Brexit and the horrendous Universal Credit / Sanctioning regime should tell you where this lot live on the Left/Right scale.

Blair was a centrist social democrat. So was every single Labour PM before him. Corbyn is a left wing socialist (NOT far left).


Would've been a great play on words if the title had simply been ''Momentum Lose Momentum'', with it being a Physics term. :pointlaugh:


Hey Cannydc, I'm glad Momentum has gone! I don't know much about them but they sounded quite poisonous tbh.
Plus they were one of the 3 powerful weapons used literally NONSTOP against Labour during the entire election campaign. Worked a treat cos the tory machinery knows exactly what buttons to press to scare the beejeezus out of people, thru exaggerations & fake news!


The 3 weapons were :
1. Antisemitism accusations
2. Corbyn+Abbot (maligned nonstop)
3. Momentum

Now all 3 weapons are gone, thanks to Kier Starmer > Things are looking up! :thumbsup:
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby MungoBrush » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:27 pm

Text wrote:Would've been so funny if the title had simply been ''Momentum Lose Momentum'', with it being a Physics term. :pointlaugh:


Hey Cannydc, I'm glad Momentum has gone! I don't know much about them but they sounded quite poisonous tbh.
Plus they were one of the 3 powerful weapons used literally NONSTOP against Labour during the entire election campaign. Worked a treat cos the tory machinery knows exactly what buttons to press, to scare the beejeezus out of people, thru exaggerations & fake news!


The 3 weapons were :
1. Antisemitism accusations
2. Corbyn + Abbot (maligned nonstop)
3. Momentum

Now all 3 are gone weapons, thanks to Kier Starmer > Things are looking up! :thumbsup:


Errr Labour's anti-semitism problem is about to blow up big time.
Let's wait for the ECHR report before jumping to conclusions shall we?
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby Text » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:32 pm

MungoBrush wrote:
Text wrote:Would've been so funny if the title had simply been ''Momentum Lose Momentum'', with it being a Physics term. :pointlaugh:


Hey Cannydc, I'm glad Momentum has gone! I don't know much about them but they sounded quite poisonous tbh.
Plus they were one of the 3 powerful weapons used literally NONSTOP against Labour during the entire election campaign. Worked a treat cos the tory machinery knows exactly what buttons to press, to scare the beejeezus out of people, thru exaggerations & fake news!


The 3 weapons were :
1. Antisemitism accusations
2. Corbyn + Abbot (maligned nonstop)
3. Momentum

Now all 3 weapons are gone, thanks to Kier Starmer > Things are looking up! :thumbsup:


Errr Labour's anti-semitism problem is about to blow up big time.
Let's wait for the ECHR report before jumping to conclusions shall we?


I shan't be waiting for more lies thank you. Their tired old act reaped large dividends, i'll give them that. But it's now run its course. :smilin:
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Re: Momentum lose control of Momentum

Postby MungoBrush » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:00 pm

Text wrote:
MungoBrush wrote:
Text wrote:Would've been so funny if the title had simply been ''Momentum Lose Momentum'', with it being a Physics term. :pointlaugh:


Hey Cannydc, I'm glad Momentum has gone! I don't know much about them but they sounded quite poisonous tbh.
Plus they were one of the 3 powerful weapons used literally NONSTOP against Labour during the entire election campaign. Worked a treat cos the tory machinery knows exactly what buttons to press, to scare the beejeezus out of people, thru exaggerations & fake news!


The 3 weapons were :
1. Antisemitism accusations
2. Corbyn + Abbot (maligned nonstop)
3. Momentum

Now all 3 weapons are gone, thanks to Kier Starmer > Things are looking up! :thumbsup:


Errr Labour's anti-semitism problem is about to blow up big time.
Let's wait for the ECHR report before jumping to conclusions shall we?


I shan't be waiting for more lies thank you. Their tired old act reaped large dividends, i'll give them that. But it's now run its course. :smilin:


Closing your eyes and denying there's a problem doesn't fix it you know
9 MP's resigned from the party over it
Starmer says he's going to fix it.
He's made a good start getting rid of Long-Bailey
But there will be a lot more to do once it's all out in the open.
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