Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:00 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58145943

Apple has defended its new system that scans users' phones for child sexual abuse material (CSAM), after a backlash from customers and privacy advocates.

The technology searches for matches of known abuse material before the image is uploaded to its iCloud storage.

Critics warned it could be a "backdoor" to spy on people, and more than 5,000 people and organisations have signed an open letter against the technology.

As a result, Apple has pledged not to "expand" the system for any reason.

Digital privacy campaigners warned last week that authoritarian governments could use the technology to bolster anti-LGBT regimes, or crack down on political dissidents in countries where protests are deemed illegal.


This one is a bit of an old chestnut.

On the one side:

No-one is opposed to combatting child abuse and measures that protect children are good.

On the other:

Once there is a backdoor, for whatever purpose, it offers governments, corporations and individuals a way to access others data. There's no point in saying just governments, just Apple itself or citing what layers of legal protection there will be - what one person can create another can duplicate.

My take:
The backdoor exists - that bell cannot be unrung. We can either regulate and control its use or see it abused under a variety of convenient fictions around 'tip offs' and anonymous sources.

So accept the reality and create legal protections around the reality and protect people's privacy by giving them to power to sue if it's improperly violated.
User avatar
Cactus Jack
 
Posts: 21781
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Location: Round yer somewhere

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Maddog » Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:53 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58145943

Apple has defended its new system that scans users' phones for child sexual abuse material (CSAM), after a backlash from customers and privacy advocates.

The technology searches for matches of known abuse material before the image is uploaded to its iCloud storage.

Critics warned it could be a "backdoor" to spy on people, and more than 5,000 people and organisations have signed an open letter against the technology.

As a result, Apple has pledged not to "expand" the system for any reason.

Digital privacy campaigners warned last week that authoritarian governments could use the technology to bolster anti-LGBT regimes, or crack down on political dissidents in countries where protests are deemed illegal.


This one is a bit of an old chestnut.

On the one side:

No-one is opposed to combatting child abuse and measures that protect children are good.

On the other:

Once there is a backdoor, for whatever purpose, it offers governments, corporations and individuals a way to access others data. There's no point in saying just governments, just Apple itself or citing what layers of legal protection there will be - what one person can create another can duplicate.

My take:
The backdoor exists - that bell cannot be unrung. We can either regulate and control its use or see it abused under a variety of convenient fictions around 'tip offs' and anonymous sources.

So accept the reality and create legal protections around the reality and protect people's privacy by giving them to power to sue if it's improperly violated.


How many nefarious acts have been done based on saving the kids?

We have a saying in political circles around here that is jokingly said to people who oppose new legislation. "Well, that's because you hate kids".

Folks use "what about the children" to defend all sorts of things that really aren't about the children..
User avatar
Maddog
 
Posts: 38385
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:46 am

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:05 pm

You miss the point Maddog.

The backdoor is there and it will be used.

it can either be regulated or unregulated.
User avatar
Cactus Jack
 
Posts: 21781
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Location: Round yer somewhere

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Maddog » Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:23 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:You miss the point Maddog.

The backdoor is there and it will be used.

it can either be regulated or unregulated.



I'm not missing the point at all.

The existence and use of that backdoor will be justified to "save the children, or puppies, or old people or apple pie"..
User avatar
Maddog
 
Posts: 38385
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:46 am

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:23 am

You're missing it entirely.

It doesn't matter why it's there, it's there.
User avatar
Cactus Jack
 
Posts: 21781
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Location: Round yer somewhere

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Maddog » Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:24 am

Cactus Jack wrote:You're missing it entirely.

It doesn't matter why it's there, it's there.


It doesn't have to be there.

They needed a reason to put it there..
User avatar
Maddog
 
Posts: 38385
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:46 am

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:44 pm

And?

That it is there is a reality.

That it was always going to be there is a reality.

How do we deal with that reality?
User avatar
Cactus Jack
 
Posts: 21781
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Location: Round yer somewhere

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Maddog » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:56 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:And?

That it is there is a reality.

That it was always going to be there is a reality.

How do we deal with that reality?


Make new phones without it. :cool:
User avatar
Maddog
 
Posts: 38385
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:46 am

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Stooo » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:01 pm

It's a bad thing, it only works when the good guys are in charge and as long as you are sure that they are the good guys which they probably aren't.

This is very dangerous if it gets into the hands of people who want to find out more about you.
User avatar
Stooo
Site Admin
 
Posts: 118694
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:24 am
Location: Waiting for the great leap forward

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:54 pm

Stooo wrote:It's a bad thing, it only works when the good guys are in charge and as long as you are sure that they are the good guys which they probably aren't.

This is very dangerous if it gets into the hands of people who want to find out more about you.

It's a bad thing but it exists.

If it exists it needs to be regulated with penalties put in place for its misuse.

In an ideal world it would not exist but that ideal world isn't the one we're living in.
User avatar
Cactus Jack
 
Posts: 21781
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Location: Round yer somewhere

Re: Apple defends new photo scanning child protection tech

Postby Maddog » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:57 pm

It appears that even Apple employees are balking at the idea of "saving the children".
Attachments
FB_IMG_1628870098483.jpg
User avatar
Maddog
 
Posts: 38385
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:46 am


Return to News, Politics And Current Affairs

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests