I Quit Labour After 24 Years.

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The Tories are dust but the Labour party are led by a very dishonest man who can't remember his own lies... or simply doesn't care.
He's looking at a Labour government with maybe five hundred seats and a Tory opposition with twenty.
That's a scary amount of power in the wrong hands.

[Stooo]

Owen Jones?

Are you really citing Owen Jones?

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Owen Jones?

Are you really citing Owen Jones?

And you like to call yourself an activist

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Owen Jones an activist who's name is known widely across the land... even Stoo has heard of him!
I bet Owen hasn't heard of Stoo though...

[Cactus Jack]

Owen Jones?

Are you really citing Owen Jones?

Owen Jones, is that who this thread is about.

From what I understand after 7 years undermining a Labour government and 17 years trying to keep Labour from coming to power from the inside he's now going to be trying to do the same from the outside.

[Middens]

He's only interested in Gaza these days. He'll go to whoever he thinks is saying the right things about Gaza. He even writes for an SNP newspaper now and does puff pieces on Humza Yousef.

[Stooo]

Owen Jones?

Are you really citing Owen Jones?

And you like to call yourself an activist

Lol.

When Owen Jones first came to the British public’s attention, he could authentically be described as a breath of fresh air. His first book, Chavs: The Demonisation of the Working Class, arrived in 2011 and served as a welcome rebuke to the snobbery and cruelty of the Little Britain-inspired Noughties. In his early years as a columnist for The Independent and then The Guardian, Jones was strident but thought-provoking, asking serious questions about class representation in the media and the dominance of elites in British life.

Today is a rather different matter. Jones remains a significant figure, with more than one million followers on Twitter/X and the ability to shape the online debate. When he quit the Labour Party last week, he released the news in a video, podcast and impassioned column in The Guardian. “The Labour Party is in my blood,” he wrote, but Sir Keir Starmer’s leadership had made leftists like him feel like “a pariah”. He encouraged his followers to vote for Green or independent candidates.

And yet, within Labour circles, the most common private reaction to Jones’s highly staged announcement was shrugging surprise that he was still affiliated with the party. He might be able to summon an online mob with a single tweet, but the Jones brand has been sullied by long service in the trenches of the culture wars. Once hailed as the voice of a generation, more than a decade of Twitter spats has made him a darker, angrier — and less interesting — public figure.

So is his apparent descent of his own making, or just a particularly visible sign of what’s happened to politics — and the internet? Jones, 39, was raised in Stockport, the son of a council worker and a university professor, both of whom were active in the Labour Party and its broader movement — including a flirtation with Militant tendency. After graduating from Oxford with a degree in history, he worked briefly as a parliamentary researcher for the Labour MP and future shadow chancellor John McDonnell, before finding success as a columnist.

During Ed Miliband’s years as party leader, from 2010 to 2015, Jones continued to stand out as a voice of the left, campaigning against austerity and its impact on the lives of disabled people, inequality and establishment power. Yet he became an increasingly divisive figure during Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, particularly around the issue of antisemitism. As an unofficial (and undisclosed) adviser to Corbyn, he also became one of the movement’s biggest and most uncompromising media outriders. In 2014, Jones was among the few media defenders of Corbyn being “present but not involved” at a wreath-laying ceremony in Tunisia for terrorists from the group behind the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

To call Jones a lightning rod would be a criminal understatement. Anyone in politics or the media who is a regular user of Twitter has an Owen Jones story, almost all of them negative. To clash with him on the site is to be barraged by personal abuse by his legion of followers, as I have learnt first-hand on several occasions. Being a colleague does not shield you. It is an open secret within The Guardian, where I worked for a period, that its social media rules were changed explicitly to cover Jones’s conduct on Twitter, attacking other staff and freelance writers (often with far smaller followings) at the paper.

Yet Jones also receives abuse in volumes unimaginable to most people, routinely getting thousands of such messages in a day. Such is the antipathy towards him that even when he was attacked in London in a homophobic hate crime in 2019, abuse continued to come his way.

To my mind, Jones has fallen victim to a double pitfall that threatens any social media star: the hatred and trolling directed at him has made him angrier and thinner-skinned; meanwhile, he has become captive to his large and ferocious group of fans.

The presence of a massive and regular audience changes a person, with none of the support networks offered by real celebrity. Social media followers turn on a pin — they are looking for someone to cheer and someone to destroy, and are just as prone as traditional media ever was to build someone up in order to knock them down later. The need builds and builds to keep the fans onside, the number high, to avoid the backlash.

Against that backdrop, it is perhaps easier to see how Jones excuses himself for behaviour for which he routinely castigates others. In the early years of Corbynism, people who had previously been friendly, if not friends, with Jones would plead with him to change how he used Twitter after receiving days of abuse after a negative quote tweet from him — to no avail.

In a book published after Corbyn’s crushing 2019 defeat, Jones acknowledged many of the issues around antisemitism that he had publicly previously denied, provoking unsurprising fury among Labour’s alienated Jewish supporters. Then, sensing his support slipping after that repudiation of Corbyn, Jones all but rejected his own book’s narrative and changed his views again.

It is this politics-as-fandom — a concept explored in I Heart Politics: How People Power Took Over the World, a fascinating new book by the writer Phoenix Andrews — that lets Jones and other “extremely online” personalities explain away these inconsistencies. Once you have good guys and villains, it is set: the good guys change their minds when the facts change, while villains change position for their own cynical advantage. We robustly fight the good fight, whereas they engage in ad hominem attacks. Why engage with anyone else’s ideas when their motivations are so foul?

All of this is a shame and a loss. The debate on the left is increasingly stale and rancorous. There is no refreshing battle of ideas and there is no honest engagement. One cannot pin it on Jones, of course. Instead, he is perhaps the most visible symbol of what the toxic cocktail of political populism and social media fandom has done to everyone who lived through it all.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/owen ... -5f6pt73k8

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Owen Jones?

Are you really citing Owen Jones?

Owen Jones, is that who this thread is about.

From what I understand after 7 years undermining a Labour government and 17 years trying to keep Labour from coming to power from the inside he's now going to be trying to do the same from the outside.

What it's about is him walking out on Labour.
It's news worthy but you lot don't seem to understand that in your desperation to score points on anything or anyone you don't like or agree with.
Oh look Rollup is an Owen Jones fan!
Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Stooo]

Owen Jones?

Are you really citing Owen Jones?

Owen Jones, is that who this thread is about.

From what I understand after 7 years undermining a Labour government and 17 years trying to keep Labour from coming to power from the inside he's now going to be trying to do the same from the outside.

What it's about is him walking out on Labour.
It's news worthy but you lot don't seem to understand that in your desperation to score points on anything or anyone you don't like or agree with.
Oh look Rollup is an Owen Jones fan!
Nothing could be further from the truth.

30p Lee walked out of the tory party and you didn't give a shit even though he is a sitting MP rather than a journalist, your desperation is obvious.

Glory be, the missing link of the tory party, Gullis, has been found to be fit to fill his traitorous shoes and you rant, worry and gnash your teeth over a fucking journalist?

Cope.

[Cherry de Voured]

I'm not particularly fond of Stalmer, and Labour are playing it a bit too safe to the point where it's uninspiring.

But after the failure of the Tories, it might be nice to have someone else fuck it up for a change. And let's be honest, given the absolute dire state the United Kingdom is in, it's not as if they can make matters worse.

...And they'll do a far better job than, say, Reform - which is just a part of Tory rejects - talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel further! How abysmally incompetent do you have to be to get rejected from this modern version of the Tories?!

[Stooo]

I'm not particularly fond of Stalmer, and Labour are playing it a bit too safe to the point where it's uninspiring.

But after the failure of the Tories, it might be nice to have someone else fuck it up for a change. And let's be honest, given the absolute dire state the United Kingdom is in, it's not as if they can make matters worse.

...And they'll do a far better job than, say, Reform - which is just a part of Tory rejects - talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel further! How abysmally incompetent do you have to be to get rejected from this modern version of the Tories?!

The 'R' parties are Tufton St. broadsides to the one nationers who dare to stray from the libertarian mantra but who are desperate to hold on to their seat in the name of traditional conservatism, Johnson didn't flush them all out and this is all that they have left: political companies masquerading as political parties. Glad to hear that Mr Fox (former actor) messed up the paperwork for his London Mayoral bid rather (conveniently) considering the cost and how much he owes in legal fees These people are relying on a system that worked eight years ago on people who are probably unable (because dead) or unwilling (because everything is shit) to vote.

Blair did hardly anything overt for two years after 1997 because he was handed a massive pile of shit and stocktakes take time and are a pain in the arse, it could well have taken a year with current technology but that gives you an idea what the hopefully boring and serious future government is willingly walking into.

'Labour doesn't have a plan!' Um yes they do because when they float ideas for giggles and shit the tories it grab the like the fat boy in the playground (see non-doms). I have no idea as to the next four years other than serious and boring politics that will involve full alignment with EU standards as well as re-joining projects such as Erasmus and Horizon, the longest journey etc...

[guest]

So i just dropped by to edcucate another thick and toxic tory enabling centrist piece of shit about the use of the term 'tankies'

The difference is that under communism most property and economic resources are owned & controlled by the state(rather than individual citizens) under socialism, all citizens share equally in economic resources as allocated by a democratically elected government.

What wank stains you lot are!

[Stooo]

So i just dropped by to edcucate another thick and toxic tory enabling centrist piece of shit about the use of the term 'tankies'

The difference is that under communism most property and economic resources are owned & controlled by the state(rather than individual citizens) under socialism, all citizens share equally in economic resources as allocated by a democratically elected government.

What wank stains you lot are!

You're a Tankie Phil, no better than Galloway...

[Guest]

The Tories are dust but the Labour party are led by a very dishonest man who can't remember his own lies... or simply doesn't care.
He's looking at a Labour government with maybe five hundred seats and a Tory opposition with twenty.
That's a scary amount of power in the wrong hands.

What a havering shitebag Owen jones is.
I’m personally wanting to see a Labour landslide at next GE, and I think we will get that.
Sunak and Co seems oblivious to the pain and suffering they’re causing to the poorest in society and they need to be removed asap.
It’s time for a caring government, one that actually gives a shit about its people.

[Avon Barksdale]

The Tories are dust but the Labour party are led by a very dishonest man who can't remember his own lies... or simply doesn't care.
He's looking at a Labour government with maybe five hundred seats and a Tory opposition with twenty.
That's a scary amount of power in the wrong hands.

What a havering shitebag Owen jones is.
I’m personally wanting to see a Labour landslide at next GE, and I think we will get that.
Sunak and Co seems oblivious to the pain and suffering they’re causing to the poorest in society and they need to be removed asap.
It’s time for a caring government, one that actually gives a shit about its people.

That's a nice ideal but don't think much will change for working or middle class people under Labour. I can't see where they have the economic headroom to make any meaningful changes in the next few years, even if they want to do so.

In addition, Starmer / Rayner don't have the popular appeal and support which was around during the Blair / Brown years to get them through the hard political times.

We may get a bit of change on the culture war stuff, which remains insufferable, but most people are more concerned with the cost of living and public services and I don't see where significant improvement will come from.