You can't support this, and women's rights at the same time.

[IamtheWalrus]

A woman won a hitting other women contest, be angry at real things.

Grats on missing the point.

Punching an opponent in the back of the head is against the rules. Can cause spinal cord injury or death, and lead to disqualification.

[Maddog]

https://x.com/JeanHatchet/status/1821569478808814029


Imagine simping for the right of someone with an unfair strength advantage to do this to a weaker opponent.

Do you shout at the ref at football matches when it doesn't go your way?

That's the stupidest fucking analogy ever, but let's run with.

What would you say to a ref that let's one side play with 12 players?

10 vs 11 is more realistic.

A woman won a hitting other women contest, be angry at real things.

The point is that one side has an unfair advantage..

Jesus you're a fucking dumb ass..

I try to be reasonable with you Stoo, but you're incapable off having a discussion like grown man.

Go talk to that fucktard CJ instead. He understands your mental shortcomings..

[Cactus Jack]

https://x.com/JeanHatchet/status/1821569478808814029


Imagine simping for the right of someone with an unfair strength advantage to do this to a weaker opponent.

Do you shout at the ref at football matches when it doesn't go your way?

That's the stupidest fucking analogy ever, but let's run with.

What would you say to a ref that let's one side play with 12 players?

A close equivalent does happen.

When a player is sent off in what you would call a soccer match they aren't replaced meaning one side plays with ten while the other still has eleven.

In fact there are instances where more than one player from one side is sent off so 9 v 11 or even 8 v 11 is possible.

[Holly]

https://x.com/JeanHatchet/status/1821569478808814029


Imagine simping for the right of someone with an unfair strength advantage to do this to a weaker opponent.

Do you shout at the ref at football matches when it doesn't go your way?

That's the stupidest fucking analogy ever, but let's run with.

What would you say to a ref that let's one side play with 12 players?

A close equivalent does happen.

When a player is sent off in what you would call a soccer match they aren't replaced meaning one side plays with ten while the other still has eleven.

In fact there are instances where more than one player from one side is sent off so 9 v 11 or even 8 v 11 is possible.

Yes, it's a red card, and yes that team plays with less players, it's meant to be a punishment.
That's the idea.

[Guest]

I can’t believe it’s got to the stage where the left are supporting women getting beaten up by men in the ring. I despair for the future.

[Kipper]

I came here to see what people thought re testosterone filled hermaphrodites being allowed to hit women - hard, and it's been an eye-opener! Those thinking this is correct - even though the head of the IOC has stepped down, worry me.
Maybe those supporting this are the sort who like to see women beaten?
If they can test others, then the failure is at grassroots and is on the IOC for allowing it to proceed.
Funnily enough, it's always weak men who make these decisions.

[Holly]

I can’t believe it’s got to the stage where the left are supporting women getting beaten up by men in the ring. I despair for the future.

I don't believe many men in relationships with women, or fathers of daughters support this.
I also don't believe many women do either.
IMO it's mainly the LBGTQ community and men who can't relate to biological women.
No person with XY chromosomes should be allowed in any combat sport with a person with XX chromosomes.
It's just simply too dangerous.
I don't understand why this should even be an issue.

[Guest]

I can’t believe it’s got to the stage where the left are supporting women getting beaten up by men in the ring. I despair for the future.

I don't believe many men in relationships with women, or fathers of daughters support this.
I also don't believe many women do either.
IMO it's mainly the LBGTQ community and men who can't relate to biological women.
No person with XY chromosomes should be allowed in any combat sport with a person with XX chromosomes.
It's just simply too dangerous.
I don't understand why this should even be an issue.

Sadly there are people who will blindly follow the latest woke agenda, shit scared to say what they really think. There’s a few examples of these people in this very thread.

[IamtheWalrus]

Sadly there are people who will blindly follow the latest woke agenda, shit scared to say what they really think. There’s a few examples of these people in this very thread.

I don't think they're scared to say what they think. On the contrary, they're not scared at all even though they clearly don't understand the arguments being made. Maybe if they thought before they spoke they wouldn't embarass themselves as much. It's just sad at this point, the football red card analogy just another example of their idiocy

[IamtheWalrus]

https://www.lepoint.fr/sport/exclusif-j ... _26.php#11

Another article that won't be read by the people who need to read it - interview with one of her trainers

"Currently: President of the Association for Research and Evaluation in Physical Activity and Sport (AREAPS) Scientific advisor and member of the Scientific Committee of the Monstade physical assessment and preparation center" - according to his Linkedin. He says he supervised the Masters Dissertation of Khelifs manager.

English archive translation here:


https://archive.ph/Nrnw0#selection-1259.0-1259.95



"Didn't the Algerian team know anything either?
They are 50,000 leagues of these biological aspects. They were happy to have a good boxer. She's a young woman, I repeat, who was raised like a girl."

aka - it was above the paygrade of the Algerian team to understand the technical aspects.

"After the 2023 World Championships, where it was disqualified, I took the lead in contacting a renowned endocrinologist from the Parisian University Hospital, Kremlin-Bicêtre, who examined her. The latter confirmed that Imane is indeed a woman, despite its karyotype and testosterone levels. He said, "There's a problem with his hormones, with her chromosomes, but she's a woman. That's all we care about. We then worked with a doctor based in Algeria to control and regulate the testosterone level of Imane, which is currently in the women's norm. Tests show that all its muscle and other qualities have been reduced since then. Currently, it can be compared at the muscular and biological level with a female-female woman.

- is indeed a woman despite karotype and test levels. We then had to reduce the test leevls to get her in the normal female range. She's lost muscle since then and is now in the normal female range.

This is standard trans women should be allowed to compete vs biological women because they go on hormones that reduce their test levels. Even though those test levels during male puberty etc allow them to gain more muscle mass, bone mass/density and incur other physical advantages.

I repeat my position that this is NOT A TRANS ISSUE because Khelif is most likely interSEX - it's just funny that her own coaching staff is admitting that her test levels were outside the normal female range and had to be reduced.


As he goes onto say if you didn't believe the above.

"I put the same question to the biology teacher that you are...
Between boys and girls, it is at puberty, in terms of performance, that there is a dissociation related to testosterone. Testosterone is an anabolic hormone and therefore makes the muscles. This explains why boys are stronger than girls on a muscle-action basis. My answer is hesitant, because some women have muscle quality close to that of men. And performance is the interaction of multiple components, including physical aspects. In some sports, physical aspects play an important role in performance. You'll never see malinge boxers, whether it's men or women."

Spelling this out as some people will obviously cherry pick the above.

Men on average are taller/stronger/have more facial hair/more body hair/store fat in different places and <insert physical differences here>

That does not mean that no individual woman can be taller/stronger/have more facial hair etc than an individual man. The population differences are real and not invalidated by individual examples.


Lock/close the thread - it's done. It doesn't get any more compelling than someone in her own camp admitting the chromosomes and test levels were out of range to normal females.

GG no rematch.

[HobbitFeet]

Lock/close the thread - it's done.

That isn't how we do things around here

sorry cocker

[IamtheWalrus]

That isn't how we do things around here

sorry cocker

It was tongue-in cheek, but there hasn't been a valid argument in favour of her competing for over a week. The arguments of her supporters have been destroyed, consistently. If they want to humiliate themselves further I'm here for it.

Of course now that the medal is in the bag I fully expect more info to start being revealed. If anyone wants to dig a bigger hole for themselves then let's go - maybe it will be an Olympic sport by 2028

[Red Okktober]

https://x.com/JeanHatchet/status/1821569478808814029


Imagine simping for the right of someone with an unfair strength advantage to do this to a weaker opponent.

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but the reach advantage was just as important as the strength advantage, seeing as the fights went the distance and were not KO's

I didn't see last night's fight, but by all accounts the winner was taller and with longer arms..

I saw Friday's fight though and the Chinese woman couldn't get close enough to the Algerian fella to land many blows

[Red Okktober]

Do you shout at the ref at football matches when it doesn't go your way?

Everyone shouts at the ref you darn fool.

[Red Okktober]

A woman won a hitting other women contest, be angry at real things.

That is funny, even for you