The NHS is no more.

A right load of bollocks...

Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby ambient » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:11 pm

Guest wrote:http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6871177/Taxpayers-to-pick-up-100000-bill-for-NINE-male-prisoners-at-ONE-prison-to-have-sex-changes.html

Here is a reson our NHS is short of funds


From the article "The criminals are all inmates at HMP Isle of Wight, and are reported to be dressing up in women's clothes and enjoying a £25-a-week allowance for beauty products"
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It's probably best not to put too much temptation in the way of Big All from C-wing
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Guest » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:23 pm

ambient wrote:
Guest wrote:http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6871177/Taxpayers-to-pick-up-100000-bill-for-NINE-male-prisoners-at-ONE-prison-to-have-sex-changes.html

Here is a reson our NHS is short of funds


From the article "The criminals are all inmates at HMP Isle of Wight, and are reported to be dressing up in women's clothes and enjoying a £25-a-week allowance for beauty products"
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It's probably best not to put too much temptation in the way of Big All from C-wing


Big Al poses less threat to society than the corporates and the neo liberal politicians that support them.

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As controversial as sex changes are, they are not the ones responsible for deliberate under funding, in the historic way of gaining public support for privatisation, that is causing problems in the NHS.

They are not the ones getting investment opportunities, jobs on the board of directors or financial political support from/with private healthcare corporates in return for privatising chunks of the NHS.

Let's not lose sight of the real villains here. The ones who are a real threat to us. :thumbsup:
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby ambient » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:36 pm

Is a sex change for a convicted felon a necessity or a nice to have ?

I'm guessing it's a nice to have. So let's not bother and cut the funding rather than the penis
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby rollup » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:46 pm

Is it one of the privatised parts of the NHS that are benefiting from this?
Meaning the likes of Richard Branson and Americans on Wall st are enjoying tax payer money?
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Guest » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:45 pm

ambient wrote:Is a sex change for a convicted felon a necessity or a nice to have ?

I'm guessing it's a nice to have. So let's not bother and cut the funding rather than the penis


What has any of that got to do with the Tories deliberately sabotaging the NHS so it can claim the only 'affordable' answer is private investment?

Hey presto, private NHS. Only the profitable bits though, the difficult stuff and non profitable bits will stay public. Then people like you will point to what's left and claim the Tories didn't/aren't privatising the NHS. :roll:

Private sector is great for selling stuff you don't really need to people without the money to buy it; 'Widget's r us' and 'Widgets Inc' can do their thing to their hearts content. When you have a service the population needs and depend on, one that is not going to benefit from company A versus company B juggling their profit on the cost of the service required, the private sector should be let nowhere near it. West coast mainline proved the folly of private provision just a short while back, 2014?. Government having to take over when private company pulled out led to improved service, lower costs and profit to the government! The Tories sold it off again. :slap:
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Random » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:32 pm

rollup wrote:Is it one of the privatised parts of the NHS that are benefiting from this?
Meaning the likes of Richard Branson and Americans on Wall st are enjoying tax payer money?

I work for a privatised part of the NHS and our department actually makes money for the NHS. Productivity has been greatly increased (number of operations) I have worked in other areas of the NHS that are not privatised and prefer mine. The NHS is under a lot of stress with cutbacks, whereas my area has just had a £1 million boost. I got sent on a £1500 course within a few months of beginning the job.

We get good feedback and morale is high. Whereas some other parts are under pressure and delivering a poor service.

The NHS is on it's way out and I think (know they are deliberately trying to destroy it. The computer systems prove this as we are heading towards health insurance.

Foreign people are a drain on it, if they don't speak English, they legally need an interpretor ( paid for by NHS) because the cost of seeing that patient is higher, because the cost of the interpreter we have to rush them through (to save money) makes sense in one way but they're actually getting a better service than the English. Shorter waiting times and jumping the queue.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Maddog » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:00 am

Random wrote:
rollup wrote:Is it one of the privatised parts of the NHS that are benefiting from this?
Meaning the likes of Richard Branson and Americans on Wall st are enjoying tax payer money?

I work for a privatised part of the NHS and our department actually makes money for the NHS. Productivity has been greatly increased (number of operations) I have worked in other areas of the NHS that are not privatised and prefer mine. The NHS is under a lot of stress with cutbacks, whereas my area has just had a £1 million boost. I got sent on a £1500 course within a few months of beginning the job.

We get good feedback and morale is high. Whereas some other parts are under pressure and delivering a poor service.

The NHS is on it's way out and I think (know they are deliberately trying to destroy it. The computer systems prove this as we are heading towards health insurance.

Foreign people are a drain on it, if they don't speak English, they legally need an interpretor ( paid for by NHS) because the cost of seeing that patient is higher, because the cost of the interpreter we have to rush them through (to save money) makes sense in one way but they're actually getting a better service than the English. Shorter waiting times and jumping the queue.



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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby rollup » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:07 pm

Maddog wrote:
Random wrote:
rollup wrote:Is it one of the privatised parts of the NHS that are benefiting from this?
Meaning the likes of Richard Branson and Americans on Wall st are enjoying tax payer money?

I work for a privatised part of the NHS and our department actually makes money for the NHS. Productivity has been greatly increased (number of operations) I have worked in other areas of the NHS that are not privatised and prefer mine. The NHS is under a lot of stress with cutbacks, whereas my area has just had a £1 million boost. I got sent on a £1500 course within a few months of beginning the job.

We get good feedback and morale is high. Whereas some other parts are under pressure and delivering a poor service.

The NHS is on it's way out and I think (know they are deliberately trying to destroy it. The computer systems prove this as we are heading towards health insurance.

Foreign people are a drain on it, if they don't speak English, they legally need an interpretor ( paid for by NHS) because the cost of seeing that patient is higher, because the cost of the interpreter we have to rush them through (to save money) makes sense in one way but they're actually getting a better service than the English. Shorter waiting times and jumping the queue.



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Our standards will slip right down to yours in no time.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Guest » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:02 pm

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rollup wrote:Is it one of the privatised parts of the NHS that are benefiting from this?
Meaning the likes of Richard Branson and Americans on Wall st are enjoying tax payer money?

I work for a privatised part of the NHS and our department actually makes money for the NHS. Productivity has been greatly increased (number of operations) I have worked in other areas of the NHS that are not privatised and prefer mine. The NHS is under a lot of stress with cutbacks, whereas my area has just had a £1 million boost. I got sent on a £1500 course within a few months of beginning the job.

We get good feedback and morale is high. Whereas some other parts are under pressure and delivering a poor service.

The NHS is on it's way out and I think (know they are deliberately trying to destroy it. The computer systems prove this as we are heading towards health insurance.

Foreign people are a drain on it, if they don't speak English, they legally need an interpretor ( paid for by NHS) because the cost of seeing that patient is higher, because the cost of the interpreter we have to rush them through (to save money) makes sense in one way but they're actually getting a better service than the English. Shorter waiting times and jumping the queue.


Might be a clue as to why you're able to offer higher levels of care.

And be wary of accountants and government that claim success based on figures they alone produce.

At the minute, the tax payer is funding the cost of private involvement, no matter how high the cost, but cutting public NHS to force change. Once there is no option but using one of the private contractors, the cost will escalate. The government will insist on people having insurance to cover the costs, the insurance won't cover everything, the exemptions list will grow and within a short space of time, remaining healthy or living without disease or pain will be only for the wealthy or those deemed credit worthy enough to load with debt to achieve it. The tax payer will still be paying for the NHS but it will cover far less and be dotted about the country rather than available to all everywhere. Effective treatment will mean the same levels of tax (public funding to NHS) plus paying as an individual. Did anyone's taxes go down when dentistry and eye care were privatised?

As Jack told mads, "Our standards will slip right down to yours in no time."

But a select few will increase their wealth by some margin.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby ambient » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:20 pm

What patients actually want is the best outcome for their condition, be it state, private or a mixture of both

What they dont want is to be part of some sloppy homage to a socialist shibboleth of a bygone age, that has gone way past it's original remit
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Guest » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:54 pm

ambient wrote:What patients actually want is the best outcome for their condition, be it state, private or a mixture of both

What they dont want is to be part of some sloppy homage to a socialist shibboleth of a bygone age, that has gone way past it's original remit


Until they get the bill, until they find out they now have to travel 50 miles to be seen, until they find their taxes are still rising.

It's always been the same with privatisation, Tories/the right wing always paint a picture of euphoria yet reality is always lesser service, higher costs and restrictions. That gets worse as time goes on, in some cases the service is wound down and becomes unavailable. Others only available in certain locations but always the cost rising. A few wealthy people always increase their wealth though and politicians always end up with a job on the board as reward.

You talk in sound bites, not facts. That's what you've been trained to do via government and it's media/think tanks/lobbyists. Try thinking for yourself instead of repeating propaganda.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby rollup » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:12 pm

ambient wrote:What patients actually want is the best outcome for their condition, be it state, private or a mixture of both

What they dont want is to be part of some sloppy homage to a socialist shibboleth of a bygone age, that has gone way past it's original remit

The NHS has been the greatest thing our politicians ever managed to pull off. Now it's being stolen by the wealthiest people so they can take and make huge salaries and bonusus and pay out share holder divis. Getting rich of sickness and ill health is a moronic idea.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby ambient » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:35 pm

rollup wrote:The NHS has been the greatest thing our politicians ever managed to pull off. Now it's being stolen by the wealthiest people so they can take and make huge salaries and bonusus and pay out share holder divis. Getting rich of sickness and ill health is a moronic idea.


Just emotive drivel, you will be twittering on about Aneurin Bevan next.

What you should be thinking is, someone is a little bit broken, so they need fixing. What is the best way to achieve this in an efficient and cost effective way
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby rollup » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:44 pm

ambient wrote:
rollup wrote:The NHS has been the greatest thing our politicians ever managed to pull off. Now it's being stolen by the wealthiest people so they can take and make huge salaries and bonusus and pay out share holder divis. Getting rich of sickness and ill health is a moronic idea.


Just emotive drivel, you will be twittering on about Aneurin Bevan next.

What you should be thinking is, someone is a little bit broken, so they need fixing. What is the best way to achieve this in an efficient and cost effective way

If you pu;ll your head from up your fucking arse one day you'll find that the NHS is was the most cost effective way .... fucking stupid twat.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby ambient » Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:27 pm

Thank you for your erudite and well argued response
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