The NHS is no more.

A right load of bollocks...

Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Random » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:33 am

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Random wrote:The NHS is like a giant care home now Jack. It wasn't built for that. It isn't cost effective for someone to stay in hospital because there is nowhere else to go and someone to care for them at home,and it isn't a nice way to spend your last days.


Because Tories slashed the social care fund. The support systems are all but extinct now, causing problems for Hospitals.

Nothing to do with the NHS, everything to do with Tory zero state ideology.

Look at their other great success, old people's care homes. Expensive, non caring and even downright dangerous. Poor standards, low paid staff, cheap food and numerous scandals in the papers. One woman recently died having been covered in rat bites if I remember correctly. But Tory donors/voters increase their wealth and the government can blame care homes instead of themselves. Absolved from all responsibility. Job done as far as they're concerned. :shake head:

Cut backs are good. It makes them look at where they can save money, and how the NHS got to be used as something it shouldn't.

I doubt the land in my area would have had bungalows built there now if it had not been for one public service putting pressure on another because it can't cope. It could have been flats or 4 bed houses to house the immigrants!

The newspapers never report the good stories from the care homes but in a very expensive one you'll get more carers to resident ratio than a public.


Until they hit you or your close ones

No idea about the bungalows but property developers only ever do what is most profitable to them. They are not a social benefit like council houses were, or are where they still exist. Slowly being phased out and rents converted from the truly affordable council rent in to the ludicrously named 'affordable rents' which are anything but.

Thatcher was criticised for saying 'there's no such thing as society' yet this government has done more to make that true than she ever did.

Zero state ideology benefits only the wealthy.

Zero state and full state are both equally destructive.

I'm way past the days of argueing left v right and vice versa. When one gets bloated the opposite brings it back in balance. We're not really seeing cutbacks now, were seeing it bought back to what it should have been. Does have potential to go too far the other way though.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Fletch » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:52 pm

Anger as government blocks TTIP legal documents relating to health service

Business secretary refuses to disclose advice that could show how private health firms might sue government under US-Europe trade deal

The controversial trade deal between Europe and the US has come under further fire after campaigners accused the government of blocking access to legal advice that shows its impact on the health service.

Campaigners warned on Tuesday that the legal documents could reveal the extent to which private health companies can sue the government using a secret tribunal system if a Whitehall policy change were to hit their profits.

As part of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), businesses can sue governments or public sector bodies for any loss of profits. The TTIP is an attempt by the US and EU to renegotiate thousands of trade tariffs and reduce the regulatory burden on exporters.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... th-service

The final neoliberal piece of the puzzle. :shake head:
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby ambient » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:04 pm

Fletch, what does "neo Liberal" mean ?

no links, no c&p, just two or three lines of text please
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Fletch » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:17 pm

ambient wrote:Fletch, what does "neo Liberal" mean ?

no links, no c&p, just two or three lines of text please


Low tax, (for the corporates) zero state, private provision society. No support for the many, huge support for the few. Services like housing not being council with the state owning an asset and providing the people with affordable housing but high cost private housing where rents are paid for with taxes. (housing benefit)

High cost is fine as long as it goes to the right pockets. The same applies to the NHS, to public transport (except in London funnily enough) and all other infrastructure and public services. A corporate/wealthy individual between public spending and recipient.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby ambient » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:52 pm

What does "zero state" mean ?
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Fletch » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:02 pm

ambient wrote:What does "zero state" mean ?


No state support/infrastructure/services.

Private provision instead of public services.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby LordRaven » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:12 pm

The NHS is in dire straits for sure
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby BD » Mon May 29, 2017 10:50 am

rollup wrote:The Health and Social Care was passed 27 March 2012. Crucially and most seriously, it removes the UK government’s obligation to provide universal healthcare in England, something so fundamental it amounts to the abolition of the NHS. As Dr Jacky Davis, co-chair of the NHS Consultants Association says: "After the passage of the unwanted, unneeded and deeply undemocratic NHS bill, we no longer have a national health service."

There was overwhelming opposition from the medical profession – for instance, from the British Medical Association and all but one of the 26 royal medical colleges. This was not communicated by the mainstream media, particularly the BBC. Although the NHS affects every man, woman and child in England, most remain in the dark about what has happened.

The government has played a big role by repeatedly concealed the purpose of the bill - to make possible the gradual dismantling of the NHS and its replacement in a few years by a market system, based on ability to pay rather than need. According to Michael Portillo: the Tories did not believe they could win an election if they told you what they were going to do [to the NHS]".

The government also used mis-information to justify its reforms. According to Portillo, the Tories had to do something about the "incredible inefficiency" of the NHS. The truth is the NHS is one of the fairest, most efficient and cost-effective healthcare systems in the world. It has half the per capita costs of the US health system - which is not universal - and has a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality (OECD figures).

The government even defied a Freedom of Information act ruling to make public the risk assessment of the bill, despite the commissione......
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/marcus-chown/great-nhs-robbery


The NHS has just got better in my opinion Jack.
You can pop outside for a cigarette now any time you like and no-one moans and everyone gets a free pair of anti slip socks lol.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Holly » Mon May 29, 2017 11:04 am

BD wrote:
rollup wrote:The Health and Social Care was passed 27 March 2012. Crucially and most seriously, it removes the UK government’s obligation to provide universal healthcare in England, something so fundamental it amounts to the abolition of the NHS. As Dr Jacky Davis, co-chair of the NHS Consultants Association says: "After the passage of the unwanted, unneeded and deeply undemocratic NHS bill, we no longer have a national health service."

There was overwhelming opposition from the medical profession – for instance, from the British Medical Association and all but one of the 26 royal medical colleges. This was not communicated by the mainstream media, particularly the BBC. Although the NHS affects every man, woman and child in England, most remain in the dark about what has happened.

The government has played a big role by repeatedly concealed the purpose of the bill - to make possible the gradual dismantling of the NHS and its replacement in a few years by a market system, based on ability to pay rather than need. According to Michael Portillo: the Tories did not believe they could win an election if they told you what they were going to do [to the NHS]".

The government also used mis-information to justify its reforms. According to Portillo, the Tories had to do something about the "incredible inefficiency" of the NHS. The truth is the NHS is one of the fairest, most efficient and cost-effective healthcare systems in the world. It has half the per capita costs of the US health system - which is not universal - and has a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality (OECD figures).

The government even defied a Freedom of Information act ruling to make public the risk assessment of the bill, despite the commissione......
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/marcus-chown/great-nhs-robbery


The NHS has just got better in my opinion Jack.
You can pop outside for a cigarette now any time you like and no-one moans and everyone gets a free pair of anti slip socks lol.
I ONLY GOT OUT AGAIN YESTERDAY!
My life of the last couple of years has been like a yoyo between home and hospital stays hence I'm hardly ever online which must be great news for some I suppose but I miss forums a lot more
than I thought I would.
I don't miss the arguing but I miss the chat :bawlin:


I'm sorry that you're/ were sick and I hope you're on the mend, I did allow this one post through to Jack for old times sake , but you have been very nasty in the past about Dogs and its Admin, so this is a one off.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Mark Knopfler » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:07 pm

LordRaven wrote:The NHS is in dire straits for sure


Only the Tories to blame
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby measurer » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:42 pm

£750 Billion, to be precise, according to Sky news...

Going to make it a LOT easier to sell to their buddies now isn't it? Sell them for a knockdown price so that their friends can then buy them cheaply, and end the N.H.S. forever.
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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Keyser » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:23 pm

measurer wrote:£750 Billion, to be precise, according to Sky news...

Going to make it a LOT easier to sell to their buddies now isn't it? Sell them for a knockdown price so that their friends can then buy them cheaply, and end the N.H.S. forever.


But that epitome of compassion Ma Maybot would never do that!

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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Stooo » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:30 pm

Keyser wrote:
measurer wrote:£750 Billion, to be precise, according to Sky news...

Going to make it a LOT easier to sell to their buddies now isn't it? Sell them for a knockdown price so that their friends can then buy them cheaply, and end the N.H.S. forever.


But that epitome of compassion Ma Maybot would never do that!

Would she?

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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby Keyser » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:34 pm

Stooo wrote:
Keyser wrote:
measurer wrote:£750 Billion, to be precise, according to Sky news...

Going to make it a LOT easier to sell to their buddies now isn't it? Sell them for a knockdown price so that their friends can then buy them cheaply, and end the N.H.S. forever.


But that epitome of compassion Ma Maybot would never do that!

Would she?

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Re: The NHS is no more.

Postby BD » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:52 pm

Keyser wrote:
measurer wrote:£750 Billion, to be precise, according to Sky news...

Going to make it a LOT easier to sell to their buddies now isn't it? Sell them for a knockdown price so that their friends can then buy them cheaply, and end the N.H.S. forever.


But that epitome of compassion Ma Maybot would never do that!

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May wouldn't recognise compassion if it slapped her in the kisser Keyser.
Wrong and unable would be a better description of that sorry excuse for a woman if honest! :grrrrr:
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