ambient wrote:Thank you for your erudite and well argued response
Random wrote:The NHS is like a giant care home now Jack. It wasn't built for that. It isn't cost effective for someone to stay in hospital because there is nowhere else to go and someone to care for them at home,and it isn't a nice way to spend your last days.
Aziz wrote:Random wrote:The NHS is like a giant care home now Jack. It wasn't built for that. It isn't cost effective for someone to stay in hospital because there is nowhere else to go and someone to care for them at home,and it isn't a nice way to spend your last days.
What's your proposed alternative for these poor old people with no-one to care for them?
Random wrote:Aziz wrote:Random wrote:The NHS is like a giant care home now Jack. It wasn't built for that. It isn't cost effective for someone to stay in hospital because there is nowhere else to go and someone to care for them at home,and it isn't a nice way to spend your last days.
What's your proposed alternative for these poor old people with no-one to care for them?
More help in the community carers with an increase in their wage to entice them to the job.
person gets to stay in their own home and have some independence and dignity, saves money on hospital beds.
Even if all that was exclusively funded by the state it would cost less than hospital care.
Random wrote:My own council has just built a small village of bungalows that is going to have a warden. I think that is a good idea.
They're small but have little gardens and all that is all that is needed. Much better than being on a hospital ward, and having someone to hand if needed.
Random wrote:The NHS is like a giant care home now Jack. It wasn't built for that. It isn't cost effective for someone to stay in hospital because there is nowhere else to go and someone to care for them at home,and it isn't a nice way to spend your last days.
Aziz wrote:Random wrote:My own council has just built a small village of bungalows that is going to have a warden. I think that is a good idea.
They're small but have little gardens and all that is all that is needed. Much better than being on a hospital ward, and having someone to hand if needed.
I agree entirely.
Guest wrote:Random wrote:The NHS is like a giant care home now Jack. It wasn't built for that. It isn't cost effective for someone to stay in hospital because there is nowhere else to go and someone to care for them at home,and it isn't a nice way to spend your last days.
Because Tories slashed the social care fund. The support systems are all but extinct now, causing problems for Hospitals.
Nothing to do with the NHS, everything to do with Tory zero state ideology.
Look at their other great success, old people's care homes. Expensive, non caring and even downright dangerous. Poor standards, low paid staff, cheap food and numerous scandals in the papers. One woman recently died having been covered in rat bites if I remember correctly. But Tory donors/voters increase their wealth and the government can blame care homes instead of themselves. Absolved from all responsibility. Job done as far as they're concerned.
Random wrote:Guest wrote:Random wrote:The NHS is like a giant care home now Jack. It wasn't built for that. It isn't cost effective for someone to stay in hospital because there is nowhere else to go and someone to care for them at home,and it isn't a nice way to spend your last days.
Because Tories slashed the social care fund. The support systems are all but extinct now, causing problems for Hospitals.
Nothing to do with the NHS, everything to do with Tory zero state ideology.
Look at their other great success, old people's care homes. Expensive, non caring and even downright dangerous. Poor standards, low paid staff, cheap food and numerous scandals in the papers. One woman recently died having been covered in rat bites if I remember correctly. But Tory donors/voters increase their wealth and the government can blame care homes instead of themselves. Absolved from all responsibility. Job done as far as they're concerned.
Cut backs are good. It makes them look at where they can save money, and how the NHS got to be used as something it shouldn't.
I doubt the land in my area would have had bungalows built there now if it had not been for one public service putting pressure on another because it can't cope. It could have been flats or 4 bed houses to house the immigrants!
The newspapers never report the good stories from the care homes but in a very expensive one you'll get more carers to resident ratio than a public.
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