What's your prediction for the future?

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What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Holly » Thu May 25, 2017 7:15 am

Maybe I'm too much of a pessimist? ...or maybe I'm a realist, but I see no good coming our way, especially for Europe.
I'd really be interested in what any of you see in the in the foreseeable future...say the next 20 years....be it the economy, way of life, quality of life, freedom, healthcare,safety, housing, preservation of culture, crime... or anything that comes to mind.
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Openyoureyes » Thu May 25, 2017 7:57 am

Holly wrote:Maybe I'm too much of a pessimist? ...or maybe I'm a realist, but I see no good coming our way, especially for Europe.
I'd really be interested in what any of you see in the in the foreseeable future...say the next 20 years....be it the economy, way of life, quality of life, freedom, healthcare,safety, housing, preservation of culture, crime... or anything that comes to mind.


Europe is crumbling by the day, since the end of WW2 the liberal elite and it's capitalist partners have permitted the quite invasion of hundreds of millions of people from totally alien cultures to settle here because of their need for cheap labour to power their continuance at the top table.

Europeans have been duped by these leaders for decades with the excuse of 'we don't want another world war' yet they were putting into place just the exact components for one.

For example, when the great institution of Britain's National Health Service was adopted it was greeted by all as a superb example of a social conscience and worked that way for decades. Now it has become the International Health Service to the detriment of every Briton who has contributed to it.
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby McAz » Thu May 25, 2017 3:59 pm

I didn't even predict Brexit so there's no point in me having a go.
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Si_Crewe » Thu May 25, 2017 4:31 pm

In a nutshell, we have to start giving people stuff or, sooner or later, they're going to become so desperate that they'll attempt to take it - and that's going to be bad for everybody.

The way I see it, there are 2 kinds of societies which are viable:-
1) Just lawless societies where people can simply do whatever they want with whatever resources are available.
2) Just lawful societies where everybody can exist within the framework of the law.

Both of these models allow people access to fundamental "needs", as laid out in Maslow's Pyramid.

In a just lawless society, you can go out and get what you need without censure as long as you don't piss anybody off in the process.
You need somewhere to live? Chop down some trees and build a house.
You need food? Go and kill an animal or plant some crops. Job done.

In a just lawful society, there are laws dictating what people can do but everybody will have the means to achieve goals within the framework of the law.
Everybody will be able to buy/rent a house.
Everybody will be able to buy food.

The problem is, there are also unjust versions of those models.

There are lawless societies where people will take things away from others by violence or where there simply aren't the resources for people to achieve things in the first place.

In the UK (and in the west, in general) we seem to be heading toward creating unjust lawful societies, though, and that's very worrying.
We have laws which tell people that they can't just go out and build a house in the woods, can't just shoot their food and can't just plant food on vacant land.
Meanwhile, we also have a situation where fewer and fewer people can actually satisfy fundamental needs within the framework of the law.

If people can't survive within the legal framework of a society then sooner or later they will reject that legal framework entirely when their situation becomes untenable.
You can't keep on denying people the opportunity to find accommodation, healthcare, education and success without, inevitably, creating a situation where they will become desperate and lash out against that framework.

Over the next 20 years, one of 2 things will happen.
Either we'll willingly change the direction we're heading and people will regain opportunities for contentment within our society OR there will be violence, death and destruction and then we'll be forced to find ways to ensure people can achieve those things in the burned remains of our society.
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby rollup » Thu May 25, 2017 5:22 pm

The end of democracy globally as one world government takes over (New World Order)
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Annie » Fri May 26, 2017 12:04 am

The sun will come out tomorrow
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Vam » Fri May 26, 2017 10:20 am

Si_Crewe wrote:In a nutshell, we have to start giving people stuff or, sooner or later, they're going to become so desperate that they'll attempt to take it - and that's going to be bad for everybody.

The way I see it, there are 2 kinds of societies which are viable:-
1) Just lawless societies where people can simply do whatever they want with whatever resources are available.
2) Just lawful societies where everybody can exist within the framework of the law.

Both of these models allow people access to fundamental "needs", as laid out in Maslow's Pyramid.

In a just lawless society, you can go out and get what you need without censure as long as you don't piss anybody off in the process.
You need somewhere to live? Chop down some trees and build a house.
You need food? Go and kill an animal or plant some crops. Job done.

In a just lawful society, there are laws dictating what people can do but everybody will have the means to achieve goals within the framework of the law.
Everybody will be able to buy/rent a house.
Everybody will be able to buy food.

The problem is, there are also unjust versions of those models.

There are lawless societies where people will take things away from others by violence or where there simply aren't the resources for people to achieve things in the first place.

In the UK (and in the west, in general) we seem to be heading toward creating unjust lawful societies, though, and that's very worrying.
We have laws which tell people that they can't just go out and build a house in the woods, can't just shoot their food and can't just plant food on vacant land.
Meanwhile, we also have a situation where fewer and fewer people can actually satisfy fundamental needs within the framework of the law.

If people can't survive within the legal framework of a society then sooner or later they will reject that legal framework entirely when their situation becomes untenable.
You can't keep on denying people the opportunity to find accommodation, healthcare, education and success without, inevitably, creating a situation where they will become desperate and lash out against that framework.

Over the next 20 years, one of 2 things will happen.
Either we'll willingly change the direction we're heading and people will regain opportunities for contentment within our society OR there will be violence, death and destruction and then we'll be forced to find ways to ensure people can achieve those things in the burned remains of our society.


Excellent, truly thought-provoking post. It would be hard to disagree with pretty much any of that.
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby jp761 » Fri May 26, 2017 4:31 pm

Si_Crewe wrote:In a nutshell, we have to start giving people stuff or, sooner or later, they're going to become so desperate that they'll attempt to take it - and that's going to be bad for everybody.

The way I see it, there are 2 kinds of societies which are viable:-
1) Just lawless societies where people can simply do whatever they want with whatever resources are available.
2) Just lawful societies where everybody can exist within the framework of the law.

Both of these models allow people access to fundamental "needs", as laid out in Maslow's Pyramid.

In a just lawless society, you can go out and get what you need without censure as long as you don't piss anybody off in the process.
You need somewhere to live? Chop down some trees and build a house.
You need food? Go and kill an animal or plant some crops. Job done.

In a just lawful society, there are laws dictating what people can do but everybody will have the means to achieve goals within the framework of the law.
Everybody will be able to buy/rent a house.
Everybody will be able to buy food.

The problem is, there are also unjust versions of those models.

There are lawless societies where people will take things away from others by violence or where there simply aren't the resources for people to achieve things in the first place.

In the UK (and in the west, in general) we seem to be heading toward creating unjust lawful societies, though, and that's very worrying.
We have laws which tell people that they can't just go out and build a house in the woods, can't just shoot their food and can't just plant food on vacant land.
Meanwhile, we also have a situation where fewer and fewer people can actually satisfy fundamental needs within the framework of the law.

If people can't survive within the legal framework of a society then sooner or later they will reject that legal framework entirely when their situation becomes untenable.
You can't keep on denying people the opportunity to find accommodation, healthcare, education and success without, inevitably, creating a situation where they will become desperate and lash out against that framework.

Over the next 20 years, one of 2 things will happen.
Either we'll willingly change the direction we're heading and people will regain opportunities for contentment within our society OR there will be violence, death and destruction and then we'll be forced to find ways to ensure people can achieve those things in the burned remains of our society.
Good post.

But, a lot of this world is wasted, the cumulative destruction and decimation of land and of people in the middle east, and some other areas around the world. Is a serious problem which is getting progressively worse. Good and unfortunately some bad people from these countries end up fleeing to the 'better' Countries of the world, and guess what, sooner or later these Countries themselves will become under pressure, in all kinds of ways. Overcrowded etc

I actually think it's at a point where it's sooner/right now, rather than later.
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Si_Crewe » Fri May 26, 2017 4:55 pm

jp761 wrote:Good post.

But, a lot of this world is wasted, the cumulative destruction and decimation of land and of people in the middle east, and some other areas around the world. Is a serious problem which is getting progressively worse. Good and unfortunately some bad people from these countries end up fleeing to the 'better' Countries of the world, and guess what, sooner or later these Countries themselves will become under pressure, in all kinds of ways. Overcrowded etc

I actually think it's at a point where it's sooner/right now, rather than later.


I get the impression that the "big plan" is likely to involve pumping money into Turkey in order to develop it into some kind of "promised land" for immigrants.
Turkey gets a heap of money.
Immigrants from the ME get somewhere decent to live where they are welcome and there are opportunities for them.
Europe is relieved of the burden of immigrants.

Terrific idea.
And there's as much chance of it working out as there is of Taylor Swift being the next WBA heavyweight champion.
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Keyser » Fri May 26, 2017 6:22 pm

I think it is very grim - at least for those who love a free Europe.

For of the technological advances in the West we are still at heart the savage, tribal hominin who conquered the world. Religion is by its very nature divisive and the youngest of the Abrahamic faiths is simply not compatible with 21st century democracy.

The situation in the Middle East is only going to get worse and there are thousands upon thousands of home-grown jihadists in Europe who absolutely hate the countries that have raised them. Daesh Arabia and the Wahhabist form of Islam that they have exported around the planet are one of the great evils in history - we could be seeing civil unrest in the near future.

Perhaps I am just feeling very pessimistic.
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Frosty » Fri May 26, 2017 6:57 pm

Annie wrote:The sun will come out tomorrow

that's actually not true
it could be cloudy
however
viper will post some more snake oil turds tomorrow
fact
unless he dies tonight of course
(fingers crossed)
:mrgreen:
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Sunny » Fri May 26, 2017 11:45 pm

Frosty wrote:
Annie wrote:The sun will come out tomorrow

that's actually not true
it could be cloudy
however
viper will post some more snake oil turds tomorrow
fact
unless he dies tonight of course
(fingers crossed)
:mrgreen:


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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Big Fat Frosty » Fri May 26, 2017 11:56 pm

Queen Sunny....
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Sunny » Sat May 27, 2017 9:50 am

Big Fat Frosty wrote:Queen Sunny....
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Hahahahahahaa!!!! Helloooooo Frosty baby! :wubwub:


Catch ya soon .... :leer:
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Re: What's your prediction for the future?

Postby Vam » Sat May 27, 2017 11:01 am

Big Fat Frosty wrote:Queen Sunny....
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:pmsl:

I AGREE! :wubwub:
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