Rainbow Laces? - When in Rome I say

[Lady Murasaki]

Can't pretend I don't like the occasional slice of girl on girl - does that make me insecure?

No, what about man on man?

No, that doesn't make me insecure either - sex is just sex.

Turns me on

I'm weird though. I like seeing people in love.

My missus is slightly partial to it too - though she likes a good and plausible emotional back story.

Generally speaking we don't find the handling of gay relationships on British TV very compelling or true to life - the Americans do it better - the way it was handled i "Nashville" was perfect imho.

It's a bit too raw here I agree. Britain is a pagan country though.
Nashville did do that well but I found the show too saccharine sweet overall.

[Lady Murasaki]

Why is it same sex relationships or displays of affection only seem to come in for criticism when it's men?

Because certain men get turned on thinking about women on women action.

true, and certain women get turned on thinking about men-on-men action, especially if there's violence involved - just look at DS Soaps for proof.

There seems to be a feeling among many folk that same-sex between members of your own gender* is "wrong", but between those of the other is "phwoaar" - all as long as the participants are "fit", of course, otherwise it can be seen as "yeeugh".

* sticking just to male/female, not going into third, non, fluid etc, that's far too complex.

Violence? No!

I'll give DS Soaps a wide berth I think. I don't think lesbian sex is wrong, whatever consenting adults do is none of my business so I make no judgement.

[McAz]

My missus is slightly partial to it too - though she likes a good and plausible emotional back story.

Generally speaking we don't find the handling of gay relationships on British TV very compelling or true to life - the Americans do it better - the way it was handled i "Nashville" was perfect imho.

It's a bit too raw here I agree. Britain is a pagan country though.
Nashville did do that well but I found the show too saccharine sweet overall.

Yes, mindless tosh - but a nice break from brexit/trump and the rest of the real world shite we are fed.

UK TV tends to go for gay displays even when the narrative doesn't require it - Nashville's take on it seemed much more natural.

[Guest]

Why is it same sex relationships or displays of affection only seem to come in for criticism when it's men?

Because certain men get turned on thinking about women on women action.

true, and certain women get turned on thinking about men-on-men action, especially if there's violence involved - just look at DS Soaps for proof.

There seems to be a feeling among many folk that same-sex between members of your own gender* is "wrong", but between those of the other is "phwoaar" - all as long as the participants are "fit", of course, otherwise it can be seen as "yeeugh".

* sticking just to male/female, not going into third, non, fluid etc, that's far too complex.

Violence? N
I'll give DS Soaps a wide berth I think. I don't think lesbian sex is wrong, whatever consenting adults do is none of my business so I make no judgement.

Unfortunately it very much is - as long as the criteria I mentioned are met. I don't know which soaps you watch, but 2 such examples for you You just have to think of the current Robert/Aaron (I hate the use of joined names for couples) in Emmerdale, or from 4-5 years ago, Brendan/Ste in Hollyoaks. Both relationships involving violence, cheating, co-dependency and being ultimately mutually self-destructive - but hey, the actors are seen as hot, so that makes it OK for a certain group of viwers. I doubt most of them would be quite so happy if it was male abusing female, although some might well think that it was OK against a female character they don't like.

On a broader and I think a more worrying topic, in these and similar "relationships" it's almost certain that one of the men is being regularly raped; it is after all a common feature of domestic abuse. Yet there seems to be little concern about it , it tends t be glossed over or seen as quite a turn-on for some viewers. I hesitate to call it homophobia, It's not as blatant as that, but it does look like it's not taken seriously (Yes, I know it's only fiction, but even so....).

Totally agree with your conseting adults comment. I might not have any wish to commit some sexual acts myself but I couldn't give a shite if others are happy to do so.

[Lady Murasaki]

My missus is slightly partial to it too - though she likes a good and plausible emotional back story.

Generally speaking we don't find the handling of gay relationships on British TV very compelling or true to life - the Americans do it better - the way it was handled i "Nashville" was perfect imho.

It's a bit too raw here I agree. Britain is a pagan country though.
Nashville did do that well but I found the show too saccharine sweet overall.

Yes, mindless tosh - but a nice break from brexit/trump and the rest of the real world shite we are fed.

UK TV tends to go for gay displays even when the narrative doesn't require it - Nashville's take on it seemed much more natural.

Do you think the way they show it here is more about making some sort of a point about what it means to be gay rather than just that the character happens to be gay but is part of wider narrative?
I hadn't thought of that.

[McAz]

My missus is slightly partial to it too - though she likes a good and plausible emotional back story.

Generally speaking we don't find the handling of gay relationships on British TV very compelling or true to life - the Americans do it better - the way it was handled i "Nashville" was perfect imho.

It's a bit too raw here I agree. Britain is a pagan country though.
Nashville did do that well but I found the show too saccharine sweet overall.

Yes, mindless tosh - but a nice break from brexit/trump and the rest of the real world shite we are fed.

UK TV tends to go for gay displays even when the narrative doesn't require it - Nashville's take on it seemed much more natural.

Do you think the way they show it here is more about making some sort of a point about what it means to be gay rather than just that the character happens to be gay but is part of wider narrative?
I hadn't thought of that.

I don't mind dramas exploring what it's like to be gay if that is what the drama's focus is about - but otherwise...

I've always objected to scenes portraying intimacy (of any variety) thrown into shows for no good purpose - I'm old fashioned, I don't want sex with my dinner - well, not without first giving my consent.

[Lady Murasaki]

9 1/2 weeks springs to mind.

[Lady Murasaki]

Why is it same sex relationships or displays of affection only seem to come in for criticism when it's men?

Because certain men get turned on thinking about women on women action.

true, and certain women get turned on thinking about men-on-men action, especially if there's violence involved - just look at DS Soaps for proof.

There seems to be a feeling among many folk that same-sex between members of your own gender* is "wrong", but between those of the other is "phwoaar" - all as long as the participants are "fit", of course, otherwise it can be seen as "yeeugh".

* sticking just to male/female, not going into third, non, fluid etc, that's far too complex.

Violence? N
I'll give DS Soaps a wide berth I think. I don't think lesbian sex is wrong, whatever consenting adults do is none of my business so I make no judgement.

Unfortunately it very much is - as long as the criteria I mentioned are met. I don't know which soaps you watch, but 2 such examples for you You just have to think of the current Robert/Aaron (I hate the use of joined names for couples) in Emmerdale, or from 4-5 years ago, Brendan/Ste in Hollyoaks. Both relationships involving violence, cheating, co-dependency and being ultimately mutually self-destructive - but hey, the actors are seen as hot, so that makes it OK for a certain group of viwers. I doubt most of them would be quite so happy if it was male abusing female, although some might well think that it was OK against a female character they don't like.

On a broader and I think a more worrying topic, in these and similar "relationships" it's almost certain that one of the men is being regularly raped; it is after all a common feature of domestic abuse. Yet there seems to be little concern about it , it tends t be glossed over or seen as quite a turn-on for some viewers. I hesitate to call it homophobia, It's not as blatant as that, but it does look like it's not taken seriously (Yes, I know it's only fiction, but even so....).

Totally agree with your conseting adults comment. I might not have any wish to commit some sexual acts myself but I couldn't give a shite if others are happy to do so.

I don't really watch soaps anymore. Used to watch them all at one point.
Glad I don't now, reading all that.