First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby George » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:59 am

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Guest wrote:putting aside tj's unfortunately colourful descriptions and predictions of doom for the nhs & him laying it squarely at the door of the british pakistani community ... it is a huge ask to expect people to put aside cultural traditions. arranged marriages are still very much a thing, it's not necessarily cousin choosing to marry cousin, it's people following their cultural tradition of obeying their parents.



The British Royals throughout the centuries often married their cousins...that's why they all have funny ears and the blokes have no hair :ooer:

The German Greek weirdos do that to keep the reptilian bloodline going. Kate Middleton was touted as a non aristocrat and wouldn’t you know, she’s related to Prince Willy.


how are they related, apart from being married?

Distant cousins, course the media portrayed it as if they weren’t aware. Oh, btw, Meghan and Harry are cousins too. What a shocka!

Very distant cousins though. I would think that this occurs throughout much of society. Like attracts like I suppose
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Trapper John » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:50 am

George wrote:
Puzzler wrote:
Guest wrote:
Puzzler wrote:
Holly wrote:

The British Royals throughout the centuries often married their cousins...that's why they all have funny ears and the blokes have no hair :ooer:

The German Greek weirdos do that to keep the reptilian bloodline going. Kate Middleton was touted as a non aristocrat and wouldn’t you know, she’s related to Prince Willy.


how are they related, apart from being married?

Distant cousins, course the media portrayed it as if they weren’t aware. Oh, btw, Meghan and Harry are cousins too. What a shocka!

Very distant cousins though. I would think that this occurs throughout much of society. Like attracts like I suppose


One out of every five people from central Asia is related to Ghengis Khan by blood.
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Lady Murasaki » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:33 am

Why isn’t there concern about sperm donors?
What if a bloke donates his sperm to numerous labs round the country?
His offspring could unwittingly mate.
Where’s the uproar?
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Guest » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:15 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:Why isn’t there concern about sperm donors?
What if a bloke donates his sperm to numerous labs round the country?
His offspring could unwittingly mate.
Where’s the uproar?


yes, i bet it's happened more than once too.
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Lady Murasaki » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:27 pm

Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Why isn’t there concern about sperm donors?
What if a bloke donates his sperm to numerous labs round the country?
His offspring could unwittingly mate.
Where’s the uproar?


yes, i bet it's happened more than once too.


There’s a higher chance they’d be attracted to one another too.
Yet no outcry from the usual ‘concerned’ suspects. :roll:
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Puzzler » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:30 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Why isn’t there concern about sperm donors?
What if a bloke donates his sperm to numerous labs round the country?
His offspring could unwittingly mate.
Where’s the uproar?


yes, i bet it's happened more than once too.


There’s a higher chance they’d be attracted to one another too.
Yet no outcry from the usual ‘concerned’ suspects. :roll:

So we should be concerned about a hypothetical situation?
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Lady Murasaki » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:39 pm

Puzzler wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Why isn’t there concern about sperm donors?
What if a bloke donates his sperm to numerous labs round the country?
His offspring could unwittingly mate.
Where’s the uproar?


yes, i bet it's happened more than once too.


There’s a higher chance they’d be attracted to one another too.
Yet no outcry from the usual ‘concerned’ suspects. :roll:

So we should be concerned about a hypothetical situation?


It’s only hypothetical because no ones done the data research on it.
Doesn’t it concern you?
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Red Okktober » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:06 pm

Lady Murasaki wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Why isn’t there concern about sperm donors?
What if a bloke donates his sperm to numerous labs round the country?
His offspring could unwittingly mate.
Where’s the uproar?


yes, i bet it's happened more than once too.


There’s a higher chance they’d be attracted to one another too.
Yet no outcry from the usual ‘concerned’ suspects. :roll:

I imagine the chances of that happening are quite slim, not impossible though. What's the alternative - stop all sperm donations just in case the above scenario might happen once in a blue moon?

I suspect in relation to cousins knowingly marrying each other, it's a 0.0000 something % chance.

Why would there be a higher chance of them being attracted to each other though?
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Hobbit » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:11 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:
Guest wrote:
Lady Murasaki wrote:Why isn’t there concern about sperm donors?
What if a bloke donates his sperm to numerous labs round the country?
His offspring could unwittingly mate.
Where’s the uproar?


yes, i bet it's happened more than once too.


There’s a higher chance they’d be attracted to one another too.
Yet no outcry from the usual ‘concerned’ suspects. :roll:

I imagine the chances of that happening are quite slim, not impossible though. What's the alternative - stop all sperm donations just in case the above scenario might happen once in a blue moon?

I suspect in relation to cousins knowingly marrying each other, it's a 0.0000 something % chance.

Why would there be a higher chance of them being attracted to each other though?



GSA (and assortative attraction)

people enter into relationships when they meet estranged relatives for the first time despite knowing they are related, not knowing you are related takes the taboo element away
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Red Okktober » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:33 pm

HobbitFeet wrote:[GSA (and assortative attraction)

people enter into relationships when they meet estranged relatives for the first time despite knowing they are related, not knowing you are related takes the taboo element away

We only ever meet a tiny fraction of the population throughout our entire lives. Obviously families settle in an area and socialise with each other, thereby giving the opportunity for attractions and relationships to develop.

With sperm donations though, I imagine they are despatched far away from the area they were collected in, thereby making the above scenario highly unlikely.

Say a London man donates sperm and it's shipped up to Glasgow and produces a boy for a Scottish Lady. The London man then goes on to father a natural daughter in London - what are the odds of the son and daughter ever meeting in a social situation, being attracted to each other, getting married and having kids of their own? Too small for it to be a concern imo.
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Hobbit » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:36 pm

I was just answering your question of why there may be a higher chance of them being attracted to each other
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Guest » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:59 pm

Red Okktober wrote:
HobbitFeet wrote:[GSA (and assortative attraction)

people enter into relationships when they meet estranged relatives for the first time despite knowing they are related, not knowing you are related takes the taboo element away

We only ever meet a tiny fraction of the population throughout our entire lives. Obviously families settle in an area and socialise with each other, thereby giving the opportunity for attractions and relationships to develop.

With sperm donations though, I imagine they are despatched far away from the area they were collected in, thereby making the above scenario highly unlikely.

Say a London man donates sperm and it's shipped up to Glasgow and produces a boy for a Scottish Lady. The London man then goes on to father a natural daughter in London - what are the odds of the son and daughter ever meeting in a social situation, being attracted to each other, getting married and having kids of their own? Too small for it to be a concern imo.


https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/health/06donor.html

Now, there is growing concern among parents, donors and medical experts about potential negative consequences of having so many children fathered by the same donors, including the possibility that genes for rare diseases could be spread more widely through the population. Some experts are even calling attention to the increased odds of accidental incest between half sisters and half brothers, who often live close to one another.
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Lady Murasaki » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:29 pm

Good find Guesty.
Dodgy science is replacing dodgy cultural practices it seems, yet zero concern.
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Guest » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:37 am

It is clear in the UK who practices cousin marriages on the whole.
What they need is education to help make informed decisions.
The education must also be targeted at the old groups as it is they that enforce
this culture.
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Re: First Cousin Marriages - Genetic Defects, Fact or Fiction???

Postby Guest » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:46 am

Given how hamstrung severely reduced police resources seem to be at every turn, I wouldn't be surprised if secretly the general attitude of a lot of police officers is to shrug and think let these scum wipe each other out.
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