Violent London - the cost of demonising 'Stop & Search'

[Trapper John]

Never mind blaming Blair or Brown, the reason is the lack of Police, and that's down to the Tory party. You hardly see them walking the streets any more either, usually they patrol in cars, seemingly to cover a "wider area". That's not the truth though, they just don't have enough police to cover the areas.

It doesn't matter how many police you have these events will still happen, they would happen if everyone was a policeman or policewoman, do we see every crime that is commited? there are 60 million of us and we just don't.

You can only tackle this sort of crime at source and the source is young kids from mostly immigrant backgrounds but anytime someone has the balls to tackle it, like stopping and searching young kids from immigrant backgrounds they are immediately set upon by a gaggle of anti this and anti thats and it all comes to a stop.

More police worked in Manchester. We had the Xcalibre task force that cracked down on the gun crime. Massively cut down on the amount of gang related violence.

Crime initiatives invaribly do work in the short term, stop and searching black kids down here was working until they stopped it. The problem with these initiatives is that unless the population is prepared to pay say £1000 a month in council tax, they have no long term affect.

[measurer]

They moaned up here about Stop & Search too - though they didn't use the race card - instead they said they were being hounded by police stopping them willy nilly.
There will ALWAYS be twats who try to hinder the police and the work they are doing, so I don't think they should stop it. If you have nothing to hide - then being stopped shouldn't bother you..

[Keyser]

They moaned up here about Stop & Search too - though they didn't use the race card - instead they said they were being hounded by police stopping them willy nilly.
There will ALWAYS be twats who try to hinder the police and the work they are doing, so I don't think they should stop it. If you have nothing to hide - then being stopped shouldn't bother you..

[Jay Jay]

Poverty? Lack of jobs? Lack of opportunity? Lack of parental supervision? Domestic violence? Abuse? Neglect? Lack of academic achievement? Peer pressure? Lack of societal belonging and social status? Marginalisation? Cuts to police resources? A whole myriad of reasons.

You missed the biggest though, coming from savage countries where life is cheap.

that's not very patriotric of you

He's been dying to say "savage". He'd like to say a whole lot more, using racial slurs etc, but he's wary, not being in his local EDL pub.

Obviously don't need to say more, you know exactly what I mean so why elaborate?

Instead of regurgitating liberal, government and social worker claptrap, go out and see what's really happening. The staus quo has changed since Blair and Brown opened the door for the entire world to come here.

It's no longer a few West Indian gangs dealing a bit of ganga here and there, it's Somalians, Sudanese, Ethiopians and a myriad other Africans who came here over the past couple of decades bringing their savage lifestyles with them.

Don't you think some feral white kids are savage?
That burglar who was killed was feral.

[Jay Jay]

They moaned up here about Stop & Search too - though they didn't use the race card - instead they said they were being hounded by police stopping them willy nilly.
There will ALWAYS be twats who try to hinder the police and the work they are doing, so I don't think they should stop it. If you have nothing to hide - then being stopped shouldn't bother you..

A friend of mine won a few quid on a scratchcard.
He bought a beemer.
He was stopped 8 times in a week.
EIGHT TIMES.

[Bella]

They moaned up here about Stop & Search too - though they didn't use the race card - instead they said they were being hounded by police stopping them willy nilly.
There will ALWAYS be twats who try to hinder the police and the work they are doing, so I don't think they should stop it. If you have nothing to hide - then being stopped shouldn't bother you..

A friend of mine won a few quid on a scratchcard.
He bought a beemer.
He was stopped 8 times in a week.
EIGHT TIMES.

Yes , I remember all that , going out with a black guy in a semi decent car and getting stopped and searched every few miles.

Do you remember this guy? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obit ... 86839.html

They need to decrimialise Drugs like Portugal has and treat as a health issue. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/d ... -copied-it

[Jay Jay]

They moaned up here about Stop & Search too - though they didn't use the race card - instead they said they were being hounded by police stopping them willy nilly.
There will ALWAYS be twats who try to hinder the police and the work they are doing, so I don't think they should stop it. If you have nothing to hide - then being stopped shouldn't bother you..

A friend of mine won a few quid on a scratchcard.
He bought a beemer.
He was stopped 8 times in a week.
EIGHT TIMES.

Yes , I remember all that , going out with a black guy in a semi decent car and getting stopped and searched every few miles.

Do you remember this guy? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obit ... 86839.html

They need to decrimialise Drugs like Portugal has and treat as a health issue. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/d ... -copied-it

He's got a better job than I have.
We both work in Canary Wharf.
He did write an email of complaint in Feb and the Met Police complaints dept promised to put a marker on the system.
It is a flawed system,
Once the flaws are sorted out, who knows?

[NastyNickers]

Never mind blaming Blair or Brown, the reason is the lack of Police, and that's down to the Tory party. You hardly see them walking the streets any more either, usually they patrol in cars, seemingly to cover a "wider area". That's not the truth though, they just don't have enough police to cover the areas.

It doesn't matter how many police you have these events will still happen, they would happen if everyone was a policeman or policewoman, do we see every crime that is commited? there are 60 million of us and we just don't.

You can only tackle this sort of crime at source and the source is young kids from mostly immigrant backgrounds but anytime someone has the balls to tackle it, like stopping and searching young kids from immigrant backgrounds they are immediately set upon by a gaggle of anti this and anti thats and it all comes to a stop.

More police worked in Manchester. We had the Xcalibre task force that cracked down on the gun crime. Massively cut down on the amount of gang related violence.

Crime initiatives invaribly do work in the short term, stop and searching black kids down here was working until they stopped it. The problem with these initiatives is that unless the population is prepared to pay say £1000 a month in council tax, they have no long term affect.

Xcalabre has been successful for over 10 years. The relationship they built with the gangs is ongoing. There have been flare up, most notably a couple of years ago, but nothing like it was back in the 90’s and 00’s. It’s hugely successful.
Stop and search can only do so much. Stopping and searching black kids specifically will do nothing but create tension and distrust.

[Jay Jay]

Never mind blaming Blair or Brown, the reason is the lack of Police, and that's down to the Tory party. You hardly see them walking the streets any more either, usually they patrol in cars, seemingly to cover a "wider area". That's not the truth though, they just don't have enough police to cover the areas.

It doesn't matter how many police you have these events will still happen, they would happen if everyone was a policeman or policewoman, do we see every crime that is commited? there are 60 million of us and we just don't.

You can only tackle this sort of crime at source and the source is young kids from mostly immigrant backgrounds but anytime someone has the balls to tackle it, like stopping and searching young kids from immigrant backgrounds they are immediately set upon by a gaggle of anti this and anti thats and it all comes to a stop.

More police worked in Manchester. We had the Xcalibre task force that cracked down on the gun crime. Massively cut down on the amount of gang related violence.

Crime initiatives invaribly do work in the short term, stop and searching black kids down here was working until they stopped it. The problem with these initiatives is that unless the population is prepared to pay say £1000 a month in council tax, they have no long term affect.

Xcalabre has been successful for over 10 years. The relationship they built with the gangs is ongoing. There have been flare up, most notably a couple of years ago, but nothing like it was back in the 90’s and 00’s. It’s hugely successful.
Stop and search can only do so much. Stopping and searching black kids specifically will do nothing but create tension and distrust.

Stop and search hasn't stopped. Where does TJ get his fake news from?

[NastyNickers]

Stop and search hasn't stopped. Where does TJ get his fake news from?

I suspect he makes it up as he goes along.

[Jay Jay]

Stop and search hasn't stopped. Where does TJ get his fake news from?

I suspect he makes it up as he goes along.

Or he reads and believes fake news websites.
Maybe a bit of both.
Maybe he has Ray's false memory recollections.

[Trapper John]

Stop and search hasn't stopped. Where does TJ get his fake news from?

I sometimes wonder if people really know what happens in the real world, though I suspect they think they do because it's the same media and establishment shite they regurgitate to make their points.

Of course 'Stop & Search' hasn't stopped - thats the official line anyway. In the real world though, we know it has pretty much petered out where a certain section of 'our society' are concerned. Why do you think Sadiq Khan is calling for Stop & Search to be 'stepped up' - stepped up from what? almost nothing thats what. Why do you think we haven't had the mass shouts of institutionalised racism from the usual suspects for years now, claiming too many black kids are stopped and searched? - because they aren't now thats why.

If you were a copper on the street and you ended your shifts with too many stop and searches on black kids, you were up in front of the Super to explain why and then told it's in your best interests to 'scale them down' reagrdless of the validity. That quickly finds it's way into the minds of every officer and soon becomes a systematic benchmark to work by.

You see it works both ways, if you have institutioninalised racism within the police force as we're often forced to believe, then you can have systematic 'positive racism' which is where we are today - basically don't stop black kids unless they've done something first, otherwise it causes tension and you're giving us a bad name.

It really is that simple, young mostly foreign background kids are strolling our streets with deadly weapons on their person with impunity, thats why we are where we are today

[Trapper John]

He's been dying to say "savage". He'd like to say a whole lot more, using racial slurs etc, but he's wary, not being in his local EDL pub.

Obviously don't need to say more, you know exactly what I mean so why elaborate?

Instead of regurgitating liberal, government and social worker claptrap, go out and see what's really happening. The staus quo has changed since Blair and Brown opened the door for the entire world to come here.

It's no longer a few West Indian gangs dealing a bit of ganga here and there, it's Somalians, Sudanese, Ethiopians and a myriad other Africans who came here over the past couple of decades bringing their savage lifestyles with them.

Don't you think some feral white kids are savage?
That burglar who was killed was feral.

Of course they are, which begs the question, why for the past two to three decades have our governments been importing more?

Why the 'Link' tag? - What you think if it doesn't appear in some form of media it doesn't happen? not surprising you think that way as you appear to get your knowledge of life from it.

Here's a thing, young girls were systematically raped and abused on an industrial scale for 40 years, used and traded like pieces of meat by a certain section of 'our society' in the main, that didn't appear in the media either - but it happened.

[Jay Jay]

Stop and search hasn't stopped. Where does TJ get his fake news from?

I sometimes wonder if people really know what happens in the real world, though I suspect they think they do because it's the same media and establishment shite they regurgitate to make their points.

Of course 'Stop & Search' hasn't stopped - thats the official line anyway. In the real world though, we know it has pretty much petered out where a certain section of 'our society' are concerned. Why do you think Sadiq Khan is calling for Stop & Search to be 'stepped up' - stepped up from what? almost nothing thats what. Why do you think we haven't had the mass shouts of institutionalised racism from the usual suspects for years now, claiming too many black kids are stopped and searched? - because they aren't now thats why.

If you were a copper on the street and you ended your shifts with too many stop and searches on black kids, you were up in front of the Super to explain why and then told it's in your best interests to 'scale them down' reagrdless of the validity. That quickly finds it's way into the minds of every officer and soon becomes a systematic benchmark to work by.

You see it works both ways, if you have institutioninalised racism within the police force as we're often forced to believe, then you can have systematic 'positive racism' which is where we are today - basically don't stop black kids unless they've done something first, otherwise it causes tension and you're giving us a bad name.

It really is that simple, young mostly foreign background kids are strolling our streets with deadly weapons on their person with impunity, thats why we are where we are today

There you go.
Making up shit again because of your prejudices.
Do you understand what targeted stop and search means?
Once you do, you will understand that every word you have written is absolute bollocks.

Hth.

[Jay Jay]

He's been dying to say "savage". He'd like to say a whole lot more, using racial slurs etc, but he's wary, not being in his local EDL pub.

Obviously don't need to say more, you know exactly what I mean so why elaborate?

Instead of regurgitating liberal, government and social worker claptrap, go out and see what's really happening. The staus quo has changed since Blair and Brown opened the door for the entire world to come here.

It's no longer a few West Indian gangs dealing a bit of ganga here and there, it's Somalians, Sudanese, Ethiopians and a myriad other Africans who came here over the past couple of decades bringing their savage lifestyles with them.

Don't you think some feral white kids are savage?
That burglar who was killed was feral.

Of course they are, which begs the question, why for the past two to three decades have our governments been importing more?

Why the 'Link' tag? - What you think if it doesn't appear in some form of media it doesn't happen? not surprising you think that way as you appear to get your knowledge of life from it.

Here's a thing, young girls were systematically raped and abused on an industrial scale for 40 years, used and traded like pieces of meat by a certain section of 'our society' in the main, that didn't appear in the media either - but it happened.

Because people like you have always panned the party that is opposed to neoliberalism.
Yes the media have finally come around to young girls being abused by the Weinsteins of this world.
They also refuse to investigate which political party raped boys on an industrial scale for decades.
Is that because they would upset rich white folks?