Real Racism And Man's Ongoing Shame

[LordRaven]

I have not put this in the News Section because I wish to demonstrate to the idiots who think calling people racist is a debate winner. It is not, it is pathetic as it dilutes what real racism is.

The Slave trade was a disgusting inhuman practice that still has many ramifications today...

Details of horrific first voyages in transatlantic slave trade revealed
Exclusive: As the world ignores the ignominious 500th anniversary of the buying and selling of slaves between Africa and the Americas, historians uncover its first horrific voyages

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 94546.html

This is a very interesting article because, as well as commenting on the Arab and European slave trades, it also highlights the genocidal impact of European diseases on the native populations of the West Indies.

[HobbitFeet]

racism is multi-faceted

the only people trying to dilute what racism is are those that claim because X is REAL racism, Y&Z can't possibly be racism

it's a shit defence from shit people trying to deflect from their shit beliefs

[banana chewits]

racism is multi-faceted

the only people trying to dilute what racism is are those that claim because X is REAL racism, Y&Z can't possibly be racism

it's a shit defence from shit people trying to deflect from their shit beliefs

i love you, hobbit.

[Avon Barksdale]

racism is multi-faceted

the only people trying to dilute what racism is are those that claim because X is REAL racism, Y&Z can't possily be racism

it's a shit defence from shit people trying to deflect from their shit beliefs

It may be poorly phrased giving people the benefit of the doubt but you are right, there isn't two baskets labelled "real racism" and "false racism". There's only racism. The magnitude of harm which flows from the acts which construe racism may change (slavery = extremely high, being called a Paki = lower) but it's still the same thing.

I guess there is an argument that some bad actors use an allegation of racism which they do not have a genuine belief in for certain ends such as to silence differing opinions, political ends and so on.

[LordRaven]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

[banana chewits]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

says white man's privilege.

[HobbitFeet]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

who said that?

you are discussing 'REAL' racism, I'm saying it's all real, the level (ergo harm caused) is a different discussion altogether

try keeping your debate coherent, it helps

[LordRaven]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

says white man's privilege.

I cannot agree with that either, North American Indians, African Tribes, Aboriginal peoples in South East Asia -- they all enslaved others and engaged in acts of genocide.

Are you trying to tell me that those weren't acts of racism?

[banana chewits]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

says white man's privilege.

I cannot agree with that either, North American Indians, African Tribes, Aboriginal peoples in South East Asia -- they all enslaved others and engaged in acts of genocide.

Are you trying to tell me that those weren't acts of racism?

you're the one laying down what's 'real' racism & what isn't.

racism is racism, raven, whether you like it or not.

[LordRaven]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

who said that?

you are discussing 'REAL' racism, I'm saying it's all real, the level (ergo harm caused) is a different discussion altogether

try keeping your debate coherent, it helps

Your arguments do not hold when weighed against human history, you seem to be employing what is quite typical of left wing arguments to stifle debate by calling anyone who wants to debate such issues racist.
Which is unhelpful tbh

[Guest]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

says white man's privilege.

I cannot agree with that either, North American Indians, African Tribes, Aboriginal peoples in South East Asia -- they all enslaved others and engaged in acts of genocide.

Are you trying to tell me that those weren't acts of racism?

I'm sure FSSTBC is well aware of the slave markets in Libya but can they all be run by "white man's" privilege.

[LordRaven]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

says white man's privilege.

I cannot agree with that either, North American Indians, African Tribes, Aboriginal peoples in South East Asia -- they all enslaved others and engaged in acts of genocide.

Are you trying to tell me that those weren't acts of racism?

you're the one laying down what's 'real' racism & what isn't.

racism is racism, raven, whether you like it or not.

Again you are employing the tactic employed by those who wish to stifle debate.

http://www.jareddiamond.org/Jared_Diamo ... Steel.html -- a rather good read

It is an interesting subject so please debate rather than kill it. The OP clearly shows that not many want to even discuss our past mistakes --as it seems you and others on here don't either.

[HobbitFeet]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

who said that?

you are discussing 'REAL' racism, I'm saying it's all real, the level (ergo harm caused) is a different discussion altogether

try keeping your debate coherent, it helps

Your arguments do not hold when weighed against human history, you seem to be employing what is quite typical of left wing arguments to stifle debate by calling anyone who wants to debate such issues racist.
Which is unhelpful tbh

and you seem to be using a lot of words to say nothing

sparking a debate does not make anyone a racist, what makes them a racist is their beliefs, actions, and words

[LordRaven]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

says white man's privilege.

So Hobbit Feet, having made no comment on BC's "white man's privilege" remark are you of the same opinion that only white people can be racist??

[LordRaven]

Interesting? Different levels of racism all as equally as bad?

Personally I cannot agree, wholesale enslavement of certain peoples and/or genocidal attacks on any one race of people are far worse than name calling - the latter of which is puerile.

who said that?

you are discussing 'REAL' racism, I'm saying it's all real, the level (ergo harm caused) is a different discussion altogether

try keeping your debate coherent, it helps

Your arguments do not hold when weighed against human history, you seem to be employing what is quite typical of left wing arguments to stifle debate by calling anyone who wants to debate such issues racist.
Which is unhelpful tbh

and you seem to be using a lot of words to say nothing

sparking a debate does not make anyone a racist, what makes them a racist is their beliefs, actions, and words

When I could liken your opening remarks to driving a car? You kind of suggested it doesn't matter how fast we go there is no difference in our levels of racism -- and that is just plain silly.