Trans women are women

[NastyNickers]

Anyone who uses the phrase "CIS women" has to be a PC Bot really don't they?

Do you also refer to the "LGBTQetc Community"?

And frequently refer to things being "problematic"?

Anyone who uses the phrase “NPC” has to be a right wing bigot, don’t they?

Do you also refer to “snowflakes”?

And frequently refer to things being “SJW madness”?

[Ray of Sunshine]

No those people who invented the NPC memes aren't "right-wing bigots", they're the counterculture.

[NastyNickers]

No those people who invented the NPC memes aren't "right-wing bigots", they're the counterculture.

Trump supporters are the counterculture?

[Lady Murasaki]

But if you’re overweight you know that’s in your own hands and that if you really wanted to you can change it, maybe with some help but it’s doable.
The need to be another gender is different, I think it’s to do with your environment/community having overly strong gender defining roles. That may be why they feel they don’t fit and want more fluidity between the sexes, I can understand that. It’s sad that it causes depression and/or self harm for some. People can be unnecessarily cruel towards sensitive people.

I don’t doubt that your environment has some influence, but I don’t think it plays such an important role. There’s evidence that it is caused by a crossing over of sex hormones in the womb. Studies in mice showed that if you give them hormones of the opposite sex after the genetalia have developed, they will behave like that sex, instead of their assigned sex. Like hermaphroditism.
I think there are also studies that show a trans woman’s brain will look like a female brain, rather than a male.

If it was that simple, ie hormones, which it might be, then wouldn’t an intake of your gender appropriate hormones solve that mix up?

Or is it fixed into place once you’re born?

[NastyNickers]

But if you’re overweight you know that’s in your own hands and that if you really wanted to you can change it, maybe with some help but it’s doable.
The need to be another gender is different, I think it’s to do with your environment/community having overly strong gender defining roles. That may be why they feel they don’t fit and want more fluidity between the sexes, I can understand that. It’s sad that it causes depression and/or self harm for some. People can be unnecessarily cruel towards sensitive people.

I don’t doubt that your environment has some influence, but I don’t think it plays such an important role. There’s evidence that it is caused by a crossing over of sex hormones in the womb. Studies in mice showed that if you give them hormones of the opposite sex after the genetalia have developed, they will behave like that sex, instead of their assigned sex. Like hermaphroditism.
I think there are also studies that show a trans woman’s brain will look like a female brain, rather than a male.

If it was that simple, ie hormones, which it might be, then wouldn’t an intake of your gender appropriate hormones solve that mix up?

Or is it fixed into place once you’re born?

I think things that major that happen during development are pretty permanent. I’d imagine it’s those second wave hormones that play a part in forming the brain, and the gender specific variations. Although I could be talking bollocks

[Markey mark]

I absolutely 100% agree that transexual women are proper women.

You women who say you would not share a bathroom with a trans woman are just fucking transphobics,

It's 2018, what is wrong with you women??

And men that would not date trans women are transphobics also.

Some women have penises - deal with it.

Deal with it because person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex , doesn’t mean they are the opposite sex , just s fact

[Middens]

Anyone who uses the phrase "CIS women" has to be a PC Bot really don't they?

Do you also refer to the "LGBTQetc Community"?

And frequently refer to things being "problematic"?

It just helps clarify who you are talking about when transgender issues are being discussed. I wouldn't normally use it outside that context. It's nothing to get annoyed or gammon about.

[Guest]

I absolutely 100% agree that transexual women are proper women.

You women who say you would not share a bathroom with a trans woman are just fucking transphobics,

It's 2018, what is wrong with you women??

And men that would not date trans women are transphobics also.

Some women have penises - deal with it.

Deal with it because person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex , doesn’t mean they are the opposite sex , just s fact

Pardon? That’s as clear as muddy water.

[Guest]

I absolutely 100% agree that transexual women are proper women.

You women who say you would not share a bathroom with a trans woman are just fucking transphobics,

It's 2018, what is wrong with you women??

And men that would not date trans women are transphobics also.

Some women have penises - deal with it.

Deal with it because person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex , doesn’t mean they are the opposite sex , just s fact

Exactly.

And you know that trans doesn't just mean transsexual these days?

Proper transsexuals (with dysphoria) are small minority of who is under the trans umbrella now. If you look at Stonewall's list it includes any old cross-dresser. If you like dressing in women's clothes while playing with your dick, your needs aren't the same as someone with dysphoria, sorry. Even if you have had a boob job.

Trans activists these days seem to hate actual transsexuals almost as much as they hate women. Wonder why.

[Lady Murasaki]

But if you’re overweight you know that’s in your own hands and that if you really wanted to you can change it, maybe with some help but it’s doable.
The need to be another gender is different, I think it’s to do with your environment/community having overly strong gender defining roles. That may be why they feel they don’t fit and want more fluidity between the sexes, I can understand that. It’s sad that it causes depression and/or self harm for some. People can be unnecessarily cruel towards sensitive people.

I don’t doubt that your environment has some influence, but I don’t think it plays such an important role. There’s evidence that it is caused by a crossing over of sex hormones in the womb. Studies in mice showed that if you give them hormones of the opposite sex after the genetalia have developed, they will behave like that sex, instead of their assigned sex. Like hermaphroditism.
I think there are also studies that show a trans woman’s brain will look like a female brain, rather than a male.

If it was that simple, ie hormones, which it might be, then wouldn’t an intake of your gender appropriate hormones solve that mix up?

Or is it fixed into place once you’re born?

I think things that major that happen during development are pretty permanent. I’d imagine it’s those second wave hormones that play a part in forming the brain, and the gender specific variations. Although I could be talking bollocks

Isn’t being female the default setting for all mammals, hence everyone has nipples. Maybe some don’t get enough testosterone in the womb to become fully male mentally yet do develop the physical parts.

[Guest]

Anyone who uses the phrase "CIS women" has to be a PC Bot really don't they?

Do you also refer to the "LGBTQetc Community"?

And frequently refer to things being "problematic"?

It just helps clarify who you are talking about when transgender issues are being discussed. I wouldn't normally use it outside that context. It's nothing to get annoyed or gammon about.

Sorry but Ray is right. Anyone who uses phrases like CIS woman or CIS man deserves a slap.

Usually it’s fat hairy lezzers who call people gammons too. Are you one of them?

[Guest]

It’s mainly angry ranty feminists that seem to have the biggest problem with trannies. Mumsnet is full of angry tirades against them.

I assume they are pissed that another group is taking their victim status.

[Lady Murasaki]

It’s mainly angry ranty feminists that seem to have the biggest problem with trannies. Mumsnet is full of angry tirades against them.

I assume they are pissed that another group is taking their victim status.

You don’t like women much do you?

How do you exist in this world? Must be difficult.

[Lady Murasaki]

Anyone who uses the phrase "CIS women" has to be a PC Bot really don't they?

Do you also refer to the "LGBTQetc Community"?

And frequently refer to things being "problematic"?

It just helps clarify who you are talking about when transgender issues are being discussed. I wouldn't normally use it outside that context. It's nothing to get annoyed or gammon about.

Sorry but Ray is right. Anyone who uses phrases like CIS woman or CIS man deserves a slap.

Usually it’s fat hairy lezzers who call people gammons too. Are you one of them?

Ahem. Welcome to the forum Middens, lovely avatar.

[Spangled]

I absolutely 100% agree that transexual women are proper women.

You women who say you would not share a bathroom with a trans woman are just fucking transphobics,

It's 2018, what is wrong with you women??

And men that would not date trans women are transphobics also.

Some women have penises - deal with it.

Deal with it because person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex , doesn’t mean they are the opposite sex , just s fact

Exactly.

And you know that trans doesn't just mean transsexual these days?

Proper transsexuals (with dysphoria) are small minority of who is under the trans umbrella now. If you look at Stonewall's list it includes any old cross-dresser. If you like dressing in women's clothes while playing with your dick, your needs aren't the same as someone with dysphoria, sorry. Even if you have had a boob job.

Trans activists these days seem to hate actual transsexuals almost as much as they hate women. Wonder why.

Vagina.