The Peoples Vote March (Bollocks to Brexit)

[Guest]

A few of you keep saying that a lot have changed their minds! How do you know this, who told you, the left wing press?
The people I've spoken to who voted leave still want to leave. Not one of them have said they've changed their minds.
A couple of you on here daily repeating that mantra doesn't make it fact.[/quote]

Oh don't worry, the HOC wankers are pushing it through and you'll get your wish.

Now please tell me ALL the benefits of Brexit?[/quote]

We'll have more control of our own country. That's a big one.[/quote]
We'll? Since when did you have any control over this country? Tell me how you had any control as to whether or not we went to war with the Iraqi people? Any other control over anything.
This Eton lot will have control on behalf of the banks and corporations not on your behalf.
Maybe you're one of these people who think billionaires interests are the same as yours.[/quote]



What like has been happening whilst in the EU rollup?
You post like it would be a new thing.

[jra]

And a lot have now changed their minds

A few of you keep saying that a lot have changed their minds! How do you know this, who told you, the left wing press?
The people I've spoken to who voted leave still want to leave. Not one of them have said they've changed their minds.
A couple of you on here daily repeating that mantra doesn't make it fact.

Oh don't worry, the HOC wankers are pushing it through and you'll get your wish.

Now please tell me ALL the benefits of Brexit?

We'll have more control of our own country. That's a big one.

We'll? Since when did you have any control over this country? Tell me how you had any control as to whether or not we went to war with the Iraqi people? Any other control over anything.
This Eton lot will have control on behalf of the banks and corporations not on your behalf.
Maybe you're one of these people who think billionaires interests are the same as yours.

Your point being.

I'd rather our UK MPs made decisions on our behalf right or wrong, rather than MPs from other EU member states having a say in the matter.

At least the UK populace can vote out UK MPs, but we cant vote out MPs from other EU countries making decisions that may affect the UK.

[jra]

We'll have more control of our own country. That's a big one.

And less of an economy, less money for government departments, a house price crash, more unemployment etc etc etc

Unless you can prove to me that the opposite will happen

Can you prove the opposite of what you said will happen?

As soon as the Leave side won house prices in Central London plummeted and many rich foreigners are leaving the UK, many companies are leaving the UK, lots of money is leaving the UK etc etc.

One expert predicted house prices could fall by as much as 40 per cent in the event of a disruptive exit from the EU. House prices in London are set to fall this year and next, and could crash if a no-deal Brexit occurs, according to a Reuters poll of property experts and analysts.29 Aug 2018
London house prices have 30% chance of crashing if no-deal Brexit ...
https://www.independent.co.uk/.../londo ... using-ma...

This country tends to need a healthy property market because when people are buying the economy receives a boost because of knock on effects on the building, transport, retail etc etc trades.

If the property market crashes everyone will suffer, people will be laid off, the economy will suffers and the government will lose out big time on stamp duties and income tax etc and the welfare bill will explode as unemployment soars.

Like I said above these are predictions, not necessarily what will actually happen.

People were predicting that come year 2000 the Y2K bug would kick in. In the end nothing really significant happened and nobody really noticed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem

And less of an economy, less money for government departments, a house price crash, more unemployment etc etc etc

Unless you can prove to me that the opposite will happen

Can you prove the opposite of what you said will happen?

As soon as the Leave side won house prices in Central London plummeted and many rich foreigners are leaving the UK, many companies are leaving the UK, lots of money is leaving the UK etc etc.

One expert predicted house prices could fall by as much as 40 per cent in the event of a disruptive exit from the EU. House prices in London are set to fall this year and next, and could crash if a no-deal Brexit occurs, according to a Reuters poll of property experts and analysts.29 Aug 2018
London house prices have 30% chance of crashing if no-deal Brexit ...
https://www.independent.co.uk/.../londo ... using-ma...

This country tends to need a healthy property market because when people are buying the economy receives a boost because of knock on effects on the building, transport, retail etc etc trades.

If the property market crashes everyone will suffer, people will be laid off, the economy will suffers and the government will lose out big time on stamp duties and income tax etc and the welfare bill will explode as unemployment soars.

Like I said above these are predictions, not necessarily what will actually happen.

People were predicting that come year 2000 the Y2K bug would kick in. In the end nothing really significant happened and nobody really noticed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem

What the fuck have you got?

I was trying to make the comparison that leaving the EU won't be IMO as big a deal as some posters on here think it will be. But we'll only know for sure when we finally leave. You see similar things where the stock market is talked up/down not because the market should go up/down, but because people think it should go up/down, i.e. it is only a prediction. Only time will tell with leaving the EU.

People thought the whole world was going to come to a standstill with Y2K and it almost got into panic scaremongering when in reality very little of great significant happened. Now some people are doing the same with leaving the EU.

Businesses will just go where they think they can save on costs. How about India, as nobody has thought of that one before? The UK has been noncompetitive for a long time in the manufacturing sector and leaving the EU will make little difference to that IMO. You know the expression 'everything is made in China'. Being in the EU has caused many wages to lower because of ease of immigration from other EU countries with lower GDPs who will work for lower salaries.

So, some businesses may lose out in the short term, but the average UK individual hasn't gained much by being in the EU, plus the CAP and CFP have had a very detrimental effect on our farming and fishing industries.

[Stooo]

I was trying to make the comparison that leaving the EU won't be IMO as big a deal as some posters on here think it will be. But we'll only know for sure when we finally leave. You see similar things where the stock market is talked up/down not because the market should go up/down, but because people think it should go up/down, i.e. it is only a prediction. Only time will tell with leaving the EU.

People thought the whole world was going to come to a standstill with Y2K and it almost got into panic scaremongering when in reality very little of great significant happened. Now some people are doing the same with leaving the EU.

Businesses will just go where they think they can save on costs. How about India, as nobody has thought of that one before? The UK has been noncompetitive for a long time in the manufacturing sector and leaving the EU will make little difference to that IMO. You know the expression 'everything is made in China'. Being in the EU has caused many wages to lower because of ease of immigration from other EU countries with lower GDPs who will work for lower salaries.

So, some businesses may lose out in the short term, but the average UK individual hasn't gained much by being in the EU, plus the CAP and CFP have had a very detrimental effect on our farming and fishing industries.

In your opinion, thanks for that.

It is the opinion of most financial experts that it will be shit (apart from the one fagging for JRM). You may want to wait and see but according to housing experts you're going to lose a third of the value of your property and your tenants will pay for food rather than rent.

Did you ever stop and think about why Y2K didn't happen? It didn't happen because a load of software experts ran simulations on many lines of code and realised that there would be serious issues at the turn of the Millennium, they then started an entire industry of devs to make sure that it could be mitigated and guess what? It didn't happen because it was taken seriously and reacted to accordingly, the Y2K incident is the laziest example out there.

Who would want to go and work in India and which company is going to fund the re-location of it's workforce? You might get some senior management out there but the manufacturing will be done by the locals for far smaller wages than the now unemployed enjoyed until relocation. See Dyson's move to Malaysia for his shitty vacuums and the announcement that he's going to build cars in Singapore which has recently signed a treaty with the EU. Will he be paying tax into our economy?

The average individual enjoys certain rights that are empowered by EU membership, these are the laws that no-one wants to name when talking about regulations that are forced on us by unelected bureaucrats. These are the regulations that empower the common people and allow them to live a fairly comfortable existence. These are the regulations that those at the helm of brexit detest. Of course these are not forced on us, they are voted in by people who have gained the position of MEP by direct democratic election. If you need me to explain how things get through the frankly tiny bureaucracy of the EU I'm happy to save you the bother of googling it.

CAP is all that keeps our smaller farms going, super farms don't need it and are publicly listed and have a lot of foreign investment and ownership. As for the fishermen; they sold their quotas to the huge Scandinavian factory fishing vessels. How do you suggest that they get them back? Actually, I'm sick of talking about the fucking fishermen, they did this to themselves over the last thirty years and then some twat made Faridge our fishing rep where he turned up once and didn't like it.

TL;DR: You're talking through your arse...

[Guest]

For the twat in the hat. Your 'experts' the ones who foretold the post brexit recession etc...

They arent worth a damn.

Your NPC expressions are without value.

Sorry for the trigger.

[Stooo]

For the twat in the hat. Your 'experts' the ones who foretold the post brexit recession etc...

They arent worth a damn.

Your NPC expressions are without value.

Sorry for the trigger.

That was Osbourne the Chancellor at the time who was going along with Cameron's vow to invoke Article 50 on the morning after the vote. They both fucked off unless you forgot. Thankfully Carney, being an economic expert, had a contingency plan and had squirrelled away some dosh to tide us over. It worked as well as Y2K, we didn't drop to the bottom of the well.

5/5 for effort.

[Middens]

The fisherman better pray for a deal! Who the hell are they going to sell to all that extra fish they'll suddenly be able to catch? The fish we in the UK eat such as cod, tuna, prawns and haddock is mostly imported. Blue whiting, herring and sand eels don't sell here, so it's exported to Europe. What they've gained in being able to catch they've lost in cutting off their market if there's no deal. It'll be tricky to get a good deal too as the EU will have its members fleets to protect so why import from a country that ignores the quotas (quotas that protect stocks) that they have to follow? Still, the fisherman seemed to want this.

[Guest]

The fisherman better pray for a deal! Who the hell are they going to sell to all that extra fish they'll suddenly be able to catch? The fish we in the UK eat such as cod, tuna, prawns and haddock is mostly imported. Blue whiting, herring and sand eels don't sell here, so it's exported to Europe. What they've gained in being able to catch they've lost in cutting off their market if there's no deal. It'll be tricky to get a good deal too as the EU will have its members fleets to protect so why import from a country that ignores the quotas (quotas that protect stocks) that they have to follow? Still, the fisherman seemed to want this.

How will their market be cut off?

[Stooo]

The fisherman better pray for a deal! Who the hell are they going to sell to all that extra fish they'll suddenly be able to catch? The fish we in the UK eat such as cod, tuna, prawns and haddock is mostly imported. Blue whiting, herring and sand eels don't sell here, so it's exported to Europe. What they've gained in being able to catch they've lost in cutting off their market if there's no deal. It'll be tricky to get a good deal too as the EU will have its members fleets to protect so why import from a country that ignores the quotas (quotas that protect stocks) that they have to follow? Still, the fisherman seemed to want this.

How will their market be cut off?

Article 50, paragraph 3.

[Guest]

The fisherman better pray for a deal! Who the hell are they going to sell to all that extra fish they'll suddenly be able to catch? The fish we in the UK eat such as cod, tuna, prawns and haddock is mostly imported. Blue whiting, herring and sand eels don't sell here, so it's exported to Europe. What they've gained in being able to catch they've lost in cutting off their market if there's no deal. It'll be tricky to get a good deal too as the EU will have its members fleets to protect so why import from a country that ignores the quotas (quotas that protect stocks) that they have to follow? Still, the fisherman seemed to want this.

How will their market be cut off?

Article 50, paragraph 3.

So they will not be able to sell into EU after we leave? You need to add some detail im afraid lest ppl think you are blagging out your arse.

So..do go on. Are the people of Europe going to stop eating our fish and shellfish? Why?

[Goodwife]

For the twat in the hat. Your 'experts' the ones who foretold the post brexit recession etc...

They arent worth a damn.

Your NPC expressions are without value.

Sorry for the trigger.

That was Osbourne the Chancellor at the time who was going along with Cameron's vow to invoke Article 50 on the morning after the vote. They both fucked off unless you forgot. Thankfully Carney, being an economic expert, had a contingency plan and had squirrelled away some dosh to tide us over. It worked as well as Y2K, we didn't drop to the bottom of the well.

5/5 for effort.

He hadn't squirrelled anything away.

Cameron is a surprise before he was PM he was pro brexit.

He would have done a better job than May but then I would have done a better job.

JRA is right though, it won't be as bad as it seems. Whether we get a pathetic half cocked deal or leave with no deal the economy & financial markets will take a hit but they will shore up again.

What people don't see if us being in the EU is a two way thing, its in the interests of everyone that a deal is found & if not then along the line a trade deal would need to be struck. May sticking up two fingers and saying no deal is probably the better option

[Stooo]

For the twat in the hat. Your 'experts' the ones who foretold the post brexit recession etc...

They arent worth a damn.

Your NPC expressions are without value.

Sorry for the trigger.

That was Osbourne the Chancellor at the time who was going along with Cameron's vow to invoke Article 50 on the morning after the vote. They both fucked off unless you forgot. Thankfully Carney, being an economic expert, had a contingency plan and had squirrelled away some dosh to tide us over. It worked as well as Y2K, we didn't drop to the bottom of the well.

5/5 for effort.

He hadn't squirrelled anything away.

Cameron is a surprise before he was PM he was pro brexit.

He would have done a better job than May but then I would have done a better job.

JRA is right though, it won't be as bad as it seems. Whether we get a pathetic half cocked deal or leave with no deal the economy & financial markets will take a hit but they will shore up again.

What people don't see if us being in the EU is a two way thing, its in the interests of everyone that a deal is found & if not then along the line a trade deal would need to be struck. May sticking up two fingers and saying no deal is probably the better option

Oh god, he didn't?

Stop trying to gaslight me you dick.

[Stooo]

The fisherman better pray for a deal! Who the hell are they going to sell to all that extra fish they'll suddenly be able to catch? The fish we in the UK eat such as cod, tuna, prawns and haddock is mostly imported. Blue whiting, herring and sand eels don't sell here, so it's exported to Europe. What they've gained in being able to catch they've lost in cutting off their market if there's no deal. It'll be tricky to get a good deal too as the EU will have its members fleets to protect so why import from a country that ignores the quotas (quotas that protect stocks) that they have to follow? Still, the fisherman seemed to want this.

How will their market be cut off?

Article 50, paragraph 3.

So they will not be able to sell into EU after we leave? You need to add some detail im afraid lest ppl think you are blagging out your arse.

So..do go on. Are the people of Europe going to stop eating our fish and shellfish? Why?

Did you bother to read it? All trade ends, we wrote the fucking thing.

[Goodwife]

For the twat in the hat. Your 'experts' the ones who foretold the post brexit recession etc...

They arent worth a damn.

Your NPC expressions are without value.

Sorry for the trigger.

That was Osbourne the Chancellor at the time who was going along with Cameron's vow to invoke Article 50 on the morning after the vote. They both fucked off unless you forgot. Thankfully Carney, being an economic expert, had a contingency plan and had squirrelled away some dosh to tide us over. It worked as well as Y2K, we didn't drop to the bottom of the well.

5/5 for effort.

He hadn't squirrelled anything away.

Cameron is a surprise before he was PM he was pro brexit.

He would have done a better job than May but then I would have done a better job.

JRA is right though, it won't be as bad as it seems. Whether we get a pathetic half cocked deal or leave with no deal the economy & financial markets will take a hit but they will shore up again.

What people don't see if us being in the EU is a two way thing, its in the interests of everyone that a deal is found & if not then along the line a trade deal would need to be struck. May sticking up two fingers and saying no deal is probably the better option

Oh god, he didn't?

Stop trying to gaslight me you dick.

I had to google what gaslight was but I am not, it's the truth

Oh and I have no dick so I can't be one

[Rolluplostinspace]

Nearly 50% of Britain's trade is with the EU.
Name me one EU country who's trade with us is over 12%