How Many Of You Now Think Differently?

[Guest]

Corbyn activist is all piss and wind. Shocker.

Pissed more like. 6 Desperados by 10pm

[McAz]

I had to Google Desperados - sounds like they taste ghastly.

[Guest]

I had to Google Desperados - sounds like they taste ghastly.

I wouldn’t attempt one

[NastyNickers]

I had to Google Desperados - sounds like they taste ghastly.

Oh they are delicious.

Sound ming, taste like a shandy.

[McAz]

I had to Google Desperados - sounds like they taste ghastly.

Oh they are delicious.

Sound ming, taste like a shandy.

Thanks, but I'll give them a miss - never did like shandy.

[calitom]

Now that we are hearing what we may be able to do - (no pun intended) - and may not be able to do any longer, and the fiasco that has resulted through Brexit, would you change your vote knowing this isn't a simple exercise and one that may cost us more than we anticipated?

I would still vote to stay, as I believe there is safety in numbers. This government could have addressed the problems of immigration by itself by playing hardball and imposing restrictions on those entering the UK. France seems to get away with a lot....

On reflection, how do you think you would vote now?

I can definitively say..Based on all the facts..That Brexit is a disaster.

Yep - imagine a bunch of nationalist twats voted to stop your free movement across the United States.

the united states is one country. the eu is not....

[Wilson]

Need to clarify:
When I say there's "an argument FOR Brexit" I'm NOT talking about Theresa May's "compromise". That pointless expensive shite needs voting down ASAP.

Well, get on with it then - though I doubt that it's something we haven't considered.

It's long and complex and I can't do it justice after drinking 6 Desperados. I promise to get back to you.

Sorry for delay but shock horror, I have other stuff to do sometimes.

I learnt yesterday about the obstacles to nationalisation we face under EU law. There wouldn't be one off fees, there would be an endless stream of businesses we'd have to compensate for not using their products, materials, services etc. Something to do with CETA. Obviously if you're not bothered about taking back ownership of our services this isn't important but it is to me & if we're to see the radical change this country needs we need (I think!) to be outside the EU.

I wouldn't want to be outside the EU under our current government but under a government with the political will to improve life "For The Many" I'm willing to give it a try. I just wish someone with a wider platform was making this argument...

And yes, I had 6 Desperados BEFORE 10pm! *clutches pearls*

[LordRaven]

Need to clarify:
When I say there's "an argument FOR Brexit" I'm NOT talking about Theresa May's "compromise". That pointless expensive shite needs voting down ASAP.

Well, get on with it then - though I doubt that it's something we haven't considered.

It's long and complex and I can't do it justice after drinking 6 Desperados. I promise to get back to you.

Sorry for delay but shock horror, I have other stuff to do sometimes.

I learnt yesterday about the obstacles to nationalisation we face under EU law. There wouldn't be one off fees, there would be an endless stream of businesses we'd have to compensate for not using their products, materials, services etc. Something to do with CETA. Obviously if you're not bothered about taking back ownership of our services this isn't important but it is to me & if we're to see the radical change this country needs we need (I think!) to be outside the EU.

I wouldn't want to be outside the EU under our current government but under a government with the political will to improve life "For The Many" I'm willing to give it a try. I just wish someone with a wider platform was making this argument...

And yes, I had 6 Desperados BEFORE 10pm! *clutches pearls*

Alky!
Nothing wrong with a few beers Wilson

As for leaving the EU, it is fucking mental!

[Wilson]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/julian ... -interview
https://waronwant.org/what-ttip

TTIP has been largely kicked into the long grass but the EU has signed up to lesser known trade deals through CETA and JEFTA that are just as restrictive.

[Wilson]

This is how much the EU cares about our workers rights...

https://www.elaweb.org.uk/resources/ela ... ght-strike

[McAz]

Need to clarify:
When I say there's "an argument FOR Brexit" I'm NOT talking about Theresa May's "compromise". That pointless expensive shite needs voting down ASAP.

Well, get on with it then - though I doubt that it's something we haven't considered.

It's long and complex and I can't do it justice after drinking 6 Desperados. I promise to get back to you.

Sorry for delay but shock horror, I have other stuff to do sometimes.

I learnt yesterday about the obstacles to nationalisation we face under EU law. There wouldn't be one off fees, there would be an endless stream of businesses we'd have to compensate for not using their products, materials, services etc. Something to do with CETA. Obviously if you're not bothered about taking back ownership of our services this isn't important but it is to me & if we're to see the radical change this country needs we need (I think!) to be outside the EU.

I wouldn't want to be outside the EU under our current government but under a government with the political will to improve life "For The Many" I'm willing to give it a try. I just wish someone with a wider platform was making this argument...

And yes, I had 6 Desperados BEFORE 10pm! *clutches pearls*

I'm aware (and have been all along) about the position of nationalisation within the EU - it's a old left Brexiteer chestnut which doesn't really hold up. There's a mass of stuff on the web about it to and fro - none of it convinces me that isolationism is a good idea, or that the Clause IV sentiment you cite is remotely threatened.

Forgive me if I don't go into detail, it's for you to research - I must focus my efforts on the wider opposition, we can afford to lose a few confused old lefties.

[McAz]

Now that we are hearing what we may be able to do - (no pun intended) - and may not be able to do any longer, and the fiasco that has resulted through Brexit, would you change your vote knowing this isn't a simple exercise and one that may cost us more than we anticipated?

I would still vote to stay, as I believe there is safety in numbers. This government could have addressed the problems of immigration by itself by playing hardball and imposing restrictions on those entering the UK. France seems to get away with a lot....

On reflection, how do you think you would vote now?

I can definitively say..Based on all the facts..That Brexit is a disaster.

Yep - imagine a bunch of nationalist twats voted to stop your free movement across the United States.

the united states is one country. the eu is not....

Ha ha ha - the halfwit in the video you posted said the EU was a superstate.

[HobbitFeet]

We had an unhappy marriage, we're having a shit divorce

whatever happens we are fucked, we hold another referendum and stay we're fucked, we carry on with an exit and we're fucked

way to go idiots that voted on nothing more than a clear ploy to entrap those burdened by xenophobia - which in fairness worked


(that's as political as I get)

[Wilson]

Need to clarify:
When I say there's "an argument FOR Brexit" I'm NOT talking about Theresa May's "compromise". That pointless expensive shite needs voting down ASAP.

Well, get on with it then - though I doubt that it's something we haven't considered.

It's long and complex and I can't do it justice after drinking 6 Desperados. I promise to get back to you.

Sorry for delay but shock horror, I have other stuff to do sometimes.

I learnt yesterday about the obstacles to nationalisation we face under EU law. There wouldn't be one off fees, there would be an endless stream of businesses we'd have to compensate for not using their products, materials, services etc. Something to do with CETA. Obviously if you're not bothered about taking back ownership of our services this isn't important but it is to me & if we're to see the radical change this country needs we need (I think!) to be outside the EU.

I wouldn't want to be outside the EU under our current government but under a government with the political will to improve life "For The Many" I'm willing to give it a try. I just wish someone with a wider platform was making this argument...

And yes, I had 6 Desperados BEFORE 10pm! *clutches pearls*

I'm aware (and have been all along) about the position of nationalisation within the EU - it's a old left Brexiteer chestnut which doesn't really hold up. There's a mass of stuff on the web about it to and fro - none of it convinces me that isolationism is a good idea, or that the Clause IV sentiment you cite is remotely threatened.

Forgive me if I don't go into detail, it's for you to research - I must focus my efforts on the wider opposition, we can afford to lose a few confused old lefties.

I don't need you to go into detail thanks. I have access to people who's job it is to know this stuff & while I'm absolutely confused (anyone who says they're not is a massive bullshitter) I trust the judgment of those I spoke to yesterday. Obviously I intend on looking into it further but as things stand now, I'm leaning more to Leave than Remain.

[LordRaven]

We had an unhappy marriage, we're having a shit divorce

whatever happens we are fucked, we hold another referendum and stay we're fucked, we carry on with an exit and we're fucked

way to go idiots that voted on nothing more than a clear ploy to entrap those burdened by xenophobia - which in fairness worked


(that's as political as I get)

Weakened no matter how events end. I agree